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worker201:

--- Quote from: Lead Head ---Why are you mocking the new apples?
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Methinks you missed something - JJ hasn't mocked Apples since Puma.

Of course I have said it before - the PC companies have been fucking with you for years.  They put in 2 pieces of futuristic hardware, and fill the rest of your box with cheap junk from old 386 Packard Bells.  And they tell you that this is the best hardware out there, and point out how much cheaper it is than a Mac.  Well, if 3/4 of the hardware is 10 years old, of course it is going to be cheap!  Try building a decent PC yourself, and you will find that it is pretty damn expensive.  For starters, you'll find that a decently bussed mobo is a lot of money.  Most of the hard drives you find at BestBuy are crap - the good ones are much more expensive.  And of course the economics of scale mean that you don't get a 20% volume discount for your homemade machine.

When someone says PCs are cheaper than Macs, what they actually mean is that a cheap shitty PC is cheaper than an average Mac.  Well, that makes sense, doesn't it?  Go out and price Intel Xenon machines with speedclocked busses and hard drives with decent seek times - see how much they cost.  Macs don't look overpriced anymore, do they?

piratePenguin:
Well over a year ago, I built this computer:

80GB 7200RPM Maxtor (IIRC) HDD
AMD Athlon XP 2600+
MSI 52x32x52 CD-RW drive
LG DVD drive
A-Open nForce4 motherboard with onboard GeForce 4 MX, firewire, USB, sound
A nice small case with 350W PSU
256MB RAM (IIRC PC2600, but I'm not sure)

It's a nice PC, and it cost me 300 euro. The keyboard, mouse, monitor and speakers I already had. I got the motherboard and the CPU second hand, something that couldn't be done so easily with Macs.

If I went for a Mac, I'd be paying twice as much for a Mac mini. EDIT: no, I wouldn't. They didn't exist.

No thanks.

hm_murdock:

--- Quote ---Methinks you missed something - JJ hasn't mocked Apples since Puma.
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To worker you will listen. Save you he can! I've been a Mac guy for a long time. Dating back to a Power Mac 7200/120 and then later a 6500, to an iMac G3, and on and on... I ragged on early releases of OS X hard... because they didn't live up to promises. It's been several years now that OS X went past promises and is now delivering on wishes.

Re: all the random numbers and stuff that piratepenguin posted.

Who cares? Can't run Mac OS X on it.

Oh yeah, don't bring up OSX86... it's unsupported and PPC binaries won't run on it.

worker201:

--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---It's a nice PC, and it cost me 300 euro.
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I don't know much about exchange rates.  But I do know that a G4 Powerbook would spank that box from here to Christmas.

Nothing against you.  And honestly, nothing against x86 architecture either.  It's Compaq and Hewlett-Packard and Sony VAIO that are the real criminals - they go to amazing lengths to keep their prices within a certain range, even if it means taking a loss on some parts.  Apple has never done that, that's all I am saying.

piratePenguin:
It can run GNU/Linux, which is my favourite operating system. I wouldn't run OS X on this even if it was supported and PPC binaries somehow would run on it.

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