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The US vs Google
« on: 20 January 2006, 13:38 »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4630694.stm

The US govt wants access to data collected by Google in the course of running its search engine. Yahoo and microsoft stated they had already handed data over to the US govt and didn't see the issue (i am paraphrasing) but google says the US govt has no right to gather unrestricted amounts of data and that handing the data over will betray its users.
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Re: The US vs Google
« Reply #1 on: 20 January 2006, 19:14 »
I'm with google on this one... the US gov't wants too much.

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Re: The US vs Google
« Reply #2 on: 20 January 2006, 21:19 »
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the US gov't wants too much.

Understatement of the year...

Sad thing is, they will probably eventually have everything. :fu:

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Re: The US vs Google
« Reply #3 on: 20 January 2006, 21:21 »
The US gov must be pretty smart to be able to pull a half-decent idea of how many children look up porn from a list of Google searches by people of all ages.

The answer to what they seek is: every capable and interested child that isn't living in an enviornment of fear ("OMG if I look at naked people my father will beat me with a stick!").

BTW, would it be illegal here (Ireland) or in the US to look up (legal) porn under the age of 16/18?

Does exposure to porn at a young age actually have any ill effects on children? I've never heard it does, but SOMEBODY better hope to fuck there is.

Believe it or not, I'm with google here.
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Re: The US vs Google
« Reply #4 on: 20 January 2006, 23:32 »
I saw my first Playboy centerfold in 2nd grade - 8 years old.  Didn't kill me.

I don't quite understand what you're asking.  For a US person to look at pictures of sexualized girls under the age of 18 is illegal, regardless of where the pictures are being hosted.  Example - Traci Lords videos are legal in Canada, because there the law is 16 instead of 18.  But for me to buy one and watch it here would be illegal, even though the product was obtained legally.  How they enforce that, I don't really know.

On the other hand, I think porn is kinda like cigarettes in the hands of minors.  I believe the law is that you can't sell them the product, and they can't buy it, but once they get their hands on it, it's legal for them to possess it.  A 10-year-old kid could never be arrested or detained for smoking - only for buying cigarettes.  Likewise, I'm pretty sure that for a child to view pornography is not really illegal.

However, most reputed adult sites require visitors to be over 18, and cooperate fully with web blockers like NetNanny.  Because porn operates on the razor's edge of legality as it is - they are so nervous about what could happen if they step out of bounds that they are willing to self-police themselves.  I think this is probably a good thing - a state in which the burden of public "safety" is transferred to the pornographers themselves.

Fuck the US.  Oops, I mean "Yeah,Yeah,USA!"  Please don't send any agents to my house.

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Re: The US vs Google
« Reply #5 on: 20 January 2006, 23:58 »
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I saw my first Playboy centerfold in 2nd grade - 8 years old.  Didn't kill me.

I don't quite understand what you're asking.  For a US person to look at pictures of sexualized girls under the age of 18 is illegal, regardless of where the pictures are being hosted.  Example - Traci Lords videos are legal in Canada, because there the law is 16 instead of 18.  But for me to buy one and watch it here would be illegal, even though the product was obtained legally.  How they enforce that, I don't really know.

On the other hand, I think porn is kinda like cigarettes in the hands of minors.  I believe the law is that you can't sell them the product, and they can't buy it, but once they get their hands on it, it's legal for them to possess it.  A 10-year-old kid could never be arrested or detained for smoking - only for buying cigarettes.  Likewise, I'm pretty sure that for a child to view pornography is not really illegal.

However, most reputed adult sites require visitors to be over 18, and cooperate fully with web blockers like NetNanny.  Because porn operates on the razor's edge of legality as it is - they are so nervous about what could happen if they step out of bounds that they are willing to self-police themselves.  I think this is probably a good thing - a state in which the burden of public "safety" is transferred to the pornographers themselves.

Fuck the US.  Oops, I mean "Yeah,Yeah,USA!"  Please don't send any agents to my house.
So I'm breaking the law (most likely) every time I retrieve porn (from the wonderful internet) now, fucking hell it's impossible to make an (legally) honest living these days.
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Re: The US vs Google
« Reply #6 on: 21 January 2006, 00:06 »
More importantly, you're a perverted sinner, and you're going to hell!

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Re: The US vs Google
« Reply #7 on: 21 January 2006, 00:45 »
Only if you believe in hell...

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Re: The US vs Google
« Reply #8 on: 21 January 2006, 00:55 »
Same old shit, I could fuck a 16 year old girl legally but if I recorded it (even with her consent) then I'm breaking the law, also I can't legally watch porn with her.

Government, make you're fucking mind up is the law for sex 18 or 16?
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Re: The US vs Google
« Reply #9 on: 21 January 2006, 01:50 »
Quote from: "George Bush"
We're going to sift through search results because we don't want children accessing porn, even though there are parental controls which restrict looking at certain sites, and things such as SafeSearch on search engines, which sift out most porn sites, exactly what we want to do.
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Re: The US vs Google
« Reply #10 on: 21 January 2006, 01:57 »
Quote from: worker201
More importantly, you're a perverted sinner, and you're going to hell!

:D

I am in hell ... yet, I don't believe in hell ... and I'm going to hell too ... wow, what a short trip, I'm already here

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Re: The US vs Google
« Reply #11 on: 21 January 2006, 02:16 »
Probably too late
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Re: The US vs Google
« Reply #12 on: 21 January 2006, 02:48 »
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Originally Posted by George Bush
                 We're going to sift through search results because we don't want children accessing porn, even though there are parental controls which restrict looking at certain sites, and things such as SafeSearch on search engines, which sift out most porn sites, exactly what we want to do.
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George say what?
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Re: The US vs Google
« Reply #13 on: 21 January 2006, 15:20 »
He didn't actually say that. I'm just implying that google and other search engines can take care of the problem without any government interference. Search engines already have things to stop the flood of porn to dump upon your screen.
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Re: The US vs Google
« Reply #14 on: 22 January 2006, 04:07 »
Quote from: cymon
Only if you believe in hell...


Interesting... so if Hitler didn't believe in hell but it actually exists, he  won't be there?
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