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Vista, Mac OS X Clone?
Lead Head:
I didn't say it couldn't be disabled...I said every Athlon 64 and Mobo supports it
Orethrius:
--- Quote from: Xeniczone ---that data isn't up to date or accurate.
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That claim requires counter-evidence to even BEGIN to hold water, so where's your source?
--- Quote from: Xeniczone ---Even if it is correct it shows that the top of the line AMD runs 5degrees c cooler then the P4 top of the line.
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Apparently, you've never seen an inverse-comparison before. That chart displays the cut-off temperature for the processors, where a higher temperature indicates a higher heat-tolerance. It's not a chart of typical operating temperatures, so your logic is flawed.
--- Quote from: Xeniczone ---And AMD top of the line out proforms intels p4 top of the line. So what you have just showed us is that AMD runs cooler and out proforms intel thxs for agreeing.
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Actually, he just showed that AMD can't sustain higher operating temperatures for any length of time, and I fail to see where performance entered that little comparison. Nice try, though. ;)
--- Quote from: Xeniczone ---Intels run at 170 degrees F. (intel p4 em64t 3.0ghz)
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Again, what is your source for this information? If it's the previous chart, 70.8 C is 159.44 F, not 170 F.
--- Quote from: Xeniczone ---That is HOT. if you needed to matenence your computer you would have to wait for it to cool off before you touch anything near the cpu or you will burn yourself.
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This is why you don't put your fingers under the heatsink at ANY point in time, unless replacing the CPU. There are established procedures for that eventuality. Also, if your CPU is conducting heat back down your motherboard, you have bigger problems than hot components.
--- Quote from: Xeniczone ---The test that shows amds going up in flame I agree with to a certain extent.
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It's called disabling the heat monitor from the BIOS. Not just AMDs will go up in flames if the operator pulls that crap.
--- Quote from: Xeniczone ---First, it didn't show that the pentium 3 will never work correctly again. Once the pentium 3 overheats it is gone forever you will be able to use it again but after 30min of use it will pause and contiune this because something inside it is messed up.
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Actually, this is true of any processor. If you run it overheated for any extended period of time, pins tend to melt. Hell, you're lucky if it doesn't arc and burn a good half of the inlays. Both of these are exceptions to cooling measures.
--- Quote from: Xeniczone ---The pentium 4 I dont' know what will happen to it i have never overheated one. Since it is a intel i would say it may have the same effects as the pentium 3 if you leave it on too long with it overheating it will just die.
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Try it and see. If you're willing to pay shipping, I may have a P4-capable motherboard I can send you for experimental purposes, but you'll need a processor and possibly RAM for it.
--- Quote from: Xeniczone ---Amds when they overheat they die end of story but you really don't need to put too much care (or at least not as much as you do with intel) into keeping them cool because amds don't push the clock limit like intel. They look for other ways to make there cpus fast without clock speed.
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Which is why AMD doesn't have the market cornered on overclocking, right? Nobody EVER overclocks the Athlons in their gaming rigs, RIGHT? The point is that people are going to do stupid things with their purchases, and when they do, they'd rather have a processor made to handle extremities than one that is not.
--- Quote from: Xeniczone ---But as it was said most newer motherboards when the computer overheats it will disconnect the power and turn off the computer before the cpu reaches it's critical heating point.
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Which it will, if nobody disables the BIOS setting for this measure. It's not going to save data, your PC will just spontaneously die. Alphas are not immune to this effect, let alone AMDs.
toadlife:
How the heck did this devolve into a AMD vs Intel thermal performance thread?
I've been using AMD's since the k6 and AMD allways ran hotter than Intel, until the A64 came out.
My athlonXP 2100 ran at around 60C and peaked at around 70C. This was normal. My athlonXP 2800 was pretty much the same as my 2100. It ran hot. My Current A64x2 4400 runs at 46C and peaks at around 52C. A huge difference from the XP line.
The AthlonXP line of processors did not support any kind of thermal shutdown or throttling on the chip. As a result, motherboard makers implimented it into their motherbords in order to save Athlons from themselves when fans burnt out. Bascially the motherboard would power the entire system down when the chip got too hot. It was very crude, but effective.
toadlife:
This thread piqued my interest in the thermal features of the Athlon64, so I downloaded a little utility from AMD. I'm impressed. MY processor sits at 1GHZ and 1.1volts while idle and instanty throttles up to 2.2GHZ when used.
Check out these before and after screenies.
Sitting Idle (1ghz):
http://www.toadlife.net/stuff/forum_pics/idle.PNG
Running Racer (2ghz):
http://www.toadlife.net/stuff/forum_pics/inuse.PNG
Notice how the CPU fan automatically kicks up from 1000RPM to 2800RPM when the processor throttles up.
Jack2000:
nice !:)
ps : what are you playing there ?
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