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« on: 14 October 2002, 01:27 »
I would live to find a program that can monitor and tell me the text of what has been sent OUT of my computer.  I am very suspicious of all those flashing lights when I am not touching the keyboard.

I have a broadband connection, supposedly with a firewall, but I know nothing about that or whether it is on and safe.  It is just "there" - apparently.  But why do the lights flicker so much.  Is someone, or M$ reading my hard drive?

I upgraded to a brand new 1600 AMD Athlon pc in May and am very happy.  As I live in France, the Op system XP came in French.  "Just buy the English upgrade" said the man.  Which I did.  But when I got it home the MS message refused to install it saying it could not install a different language on the old one.  It would not even let me try a re-format and new install.  After a while I found some codes in the registry relating to laguage, and by changing them to the codes for English, I tried an upgrade again.  This time MS did not notice the op system and upgrade were in different languages and proceeded to give me lots of FINAL WARNINGs, and danger signs before it would "re-format" my hard disk and everything would be lost.  I did not care.  Go for it I shouted as I smashed the format key.  And away it went.  It took ages to format the hard disk, but when it was done, up came the lovely Windows XP logo in English!  But guess what - I now have a dual boot option on start up English or French.  So the format was not a full FDISK format after all.  It merely renamed the French Windows to a new directory "Windows.0".  Since that date I have hardly had one problem.  The only real issue I had was installing the HP PSC950 printer where HP thoughtfully failed to supply an XP disk and offered no uninstall utility to get rid of the Windows 98 installation.  This took me weeks to work out.  But all is working like a dream for a family of four all with our own accounts and user names, e-mail and browser preferences.  

Apart from the well documented privacy issues (deleting browers files and websites does not remove them from the hard disk) I am extremely happy to have upgraded to Windows XP  
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« Reply #1 on: 14 October 2002, 01:36 »
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« Reply #2 on: 14 October 2002, 01:39 »
It's well known that MS are collecting *all* of your personal data when you are using Windows XP - that includes credit card numbers, personal emails, your Pokemon erotic fan fiction etc. This isn't illegal though; it's all laid out in the MS EULA which you agreed to, probably without reading it, thereby authorising them to invade your privacy.
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« Reply #3 on: 14 October 2002, 01:39 »
quote:
Originally posted by Happy XP User:
I would live to find a program that can monitor and tell me the text of what has been sent OUT of my computer.  I am very suspicious of all those flashing lights when I am not touching the keyboard.

I have a broadband connection, supposedly with a firewall, but I know nothing about that or whether it is on and safe.  It is just "there" - apparently.  But why do the lights flicker so much.  Is someone, or M$ reading my hard drive?

I upgraded to a brand new 1600 AMD Athlon pc in May and am very happy.  As I live in France, the Op system XP came in French.  "Just buy the English upgrade" said the man.  Which I did.  But when I got it home the MS message refused to install it saying it could not install a different language on the old one.  It would not even let me try a re-format and new install.  After a while I found some codes in the registry relating to laguage, and by changing them to the codes for English, I tried an upgrade again.  This time MS did not notice the op system and upgrade were in different languages and proceeded to give me lots of FINAL WARNINGs, and danger signs before it would "re-format" my hard disk and everything would be lost.  I did not care.  Go for it I shouted as I smashed the format key.  And away it went.  It took ages to format the hard disk, but when it was done, up came the lovely Windows XP logo in English!  But guess what - I now have a dual boot option on start up English or French.  So the format was not a full FDISK format after all.  It merely renamed the French Windows to a new directory "Windows.0".  Since that date I have hardly had one problem.  The only real issue I had was installing the HP PSC950 printer where HP thoughtfully failed to supply an XP disk and offered no uninstall utility to get rid of the Windows 98 installation.  This took me weeks to work out.  But all is working like a dream for a family of four all with our own accounts and user names, e-mail and browser preferences.  

Apart from the well documented privacy issues (deleting browers files and websites does not remove them from the hard disk) I am extremely happy to have upgraded to Windows XP      



lolol    :D   Now that's ironic  or not ?   :confused:     :D

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« Reply #4 on: 14 October 2002, 01:59 »
If you want to use a crappy OS without proper language support then fine, I don't need to do all that work. I use programs that want to support different languages.

And what are you talking about - you got copy of the OS in French then brought an english upgrade - talk sense you gibbering idiot - there is no for sale upgrade to XP - or are you talking about Office - In which case - more gibberish French is a supported language.

Your firewall is just there. What a dumb FUCKING IGNORANT CUNT. That is the XP 'firewall'. It is not a proper firewall (even M$ say this). It will not close off most of the ports to your computer, and will not tell you all the virri and trojans you pick up just because you are stupid enough to surf PORN SITES with IE.

Of course M$ can read your data (but then how would you know the difference between needed data and data being sent out unknowingly). And you want what - you want a text print out - what the fuck...are you on drugs...you wouldn't understand a good answer to your question.

Ferme la bouche.

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« Reply #5 on: 14 October 2002, 05:03 »
Hey does Windows 2000 do this phone home stuff, sending out data without your consent etc.
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« Reply #6 on: 14 October 2002, 06:22 »
Heh.. I never really 'saw' any data being sent. It was never proved (not to me, at least). I think it's just a concpiracy theory.

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« Reply #7 on: 14 October 2002, 06:34 »
would it work to find out what my winders are revealing by setting up a packet sniffer on my proxy to sniff packets from my windows computers??
I would then have to resolve all the IP addresses and find out which packets are legit and which are not?
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« Reply #8 on: 14 October 2002, 21:50 »
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Originally posted by The Master of Reality / Bob:
would it work to find out what my winders are revealing by setting up a packet sniffer on my proxy to sniff packets from my windows computers??
I would then have to resolve all the IP addresses and find out which packets are legit and which are not?



You know MOR, this sound's like a worthy cause. Someone should do an indepth search into the sort of Data being transmitted by XP.

I'm sure it's not quite as bad as we think, but whatever it is, it can't be good. Just like the WMP stuff, not necissarly an NWO type operation, but certainly an invasion privacy.

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« Reply #9 on: 14 October 2002, 14:05 »
in reply to the original poster.

XP is full of things that you should be able to do but cannot.
XP is full of spyware.
XP comes with a Microsoft firewall, and do you think that that firewall stops microsoft (or judging by the reliability of their products in the past, anyone) from collecting data from your machine? Of course there are hundreds of undocumented security flaws in windows XP! it is a closed source system which means that flaws will be cropping up for years to come. If it were an open source system, people would read through the code and spot most, if not all, of the flaws very quickly. Those people would probably come up with a fix as well.

answer: No firewall is perfect, no system/browser/program is 100% secure.

The options for someone who has got Windows XP and is worried about security are as follows:

1) live with it, and never find out how many security flaws are in your operating system. Hope that you never fall prey to any security breaches and that you never find out how much of your data is being sold on to third party researchers.

2) refuse to live with it, and get a system that supports permissions, proper encryption, open standards and which has people who actually give a shit about something other than lining their own pockets developing software for it.

Now, a word to the regulars,
i don't think that the original poster in this thread deserves any flames, it is a legitimate question to which i think i have given a legitimate answer. All too often in the past we have seen people posting a legitimate question here and then they get their legitimate anser and then all of a sudden they start foaming at the mouth and spewing insults. This is no reason to tar all newcomers with the same brush. Until and unless they actually do start being offensive and or stupid, i think that it is only courteous to treat them in the same way.
The minute they start foaming though, the gloves are off. Just my two pence..
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« Reply #10 on: 15 October 2002, 00:59 »
Having M$ cull data from my PC is very unsettling. I use (don't yell at me, I'm moving away) Quicken for my financial information and then I thought, the c***s at M$ probably know where that file is and even if they don't they would be able to find it and I am sure there is stuff in there they would like to get their hands on. I do not trust M$ one bit and I have no respect for them either. Bad enough their products are shit and full of holes but now they want to spy on us ? Kick them into touch.
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« Reply #11 on: 15 October 2002, 02:01 »
I wondered how many flames I would get with the "Happy XP user" name.  This is a forum and I can say if I am happy and I respect the rights of others to be unhappy.  

No thanks to PKD for the rude, abusive and useless reply.  Thanks to Calum for a decent reply.  Thanks to the others who made thoughtful contributions.

In response to PKD - although such language really does not deserve a response - I bought a new pc with Windows XP in French pre-installed.  I then "up-graded" it with Windows XP in English.  I.e. exactly the same program and version.

PKD has been given a one star rating for his foul mouth and I urge others to do the same. Calum gets 5 stars.

The firewall I have is on a separate box - they call it the router or hub or modem for the broadband internet connection and there are several pcs plugged into it.

Back to my question: No one has really proven either way to me that data is or is not being sent out.  Just a lot of hearsay.  Has anyone ever tested or examined the data going out to see what is in there, or is there an ex M$ employee who can tell us?  What are all those flashing lights when I am inactive?  Is data leaving my pc?  If so where is it going? Can I see it on my screen with a spy?
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« Reply #12 on: 15 October 2002, 02:34 »
quote:
Originally posted by Happy XP User:
I would live to find a program that can monitor and tell me the text of what has been sent OUT of my computer.  I am very suspicious of all those flashing lights when I am not touching the keyboard.



It's called "tcpdump". tcpdump is a packet sniffer. It comes with Linux. Another example of basic tools included with a free operating system that are not included with an expensive operating system. A nice graphical frontend for tcpdump is "ethereal". ethereal also comes with Linux. "KSnuffle" is another good one that comes with some distros but can be downloaded and installed in any of them.

Here is a screen shot of an Ethereal capture:
http://www.ethereal.com/image/mainwin-20020929.png

KSnuffle:
http://www.quaking.demon.co.uk/ksnuffle.html

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« Reply #13 on: 15 October 2002, 02:54 »
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Happy XP User:
PKD has been given a one star rating for his foul mouth and I urge others to do the same. Calum gets 5 stars.
well thanks for the good comments, however i think you are being a bit harsh on pkd, but then you know it wasn't me he was being foul mouthed at so i can't really comment. Anyway, what i mean is that being foul mouthed is not in itself cause for complaint in my opinion, whereas being offensive is. After all, this site is the fuckmicrosoft.com board!
 
quote:
Back to my question: No one has really proven either way to me that data is or is not being sent out.
nor will they. the system i closed source. the only way to prove this is happening is to log incoming and outgoing stuff and then figure out what it all is. I am not sure how to even begin doing this, but anything void main says is sure to be of help in this matter.  
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Just a lot of hearsay. Has anyone ever tested or examined the data going out to see what is in there, or is there an ex M$ employee who can tell us? What are all those flashing lights when I am inactive? Is data leaving my pc? If so where is it going? Can I see it on my screen with a spy?


i am hesitant to say it, but maybe a question this specific should be posted on windowsbbs.com although they are not very good at answering specific questions of this nature to my knowledge, they do deal specifically with windows questions...

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« Reply #14 on: 15 October 2002, 03:56 »
Anyone know a good packet sniffer for Winblows? Can you actually get the packets that are coming out of the computer you have the sniffer on?

It would be interesting to run something like this in a closed environment. And better, because there is less garbage network traffic.


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