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Firefox myths
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: Mastertech ---Technically you are still isecure since even the latest version of Firefox does not patch all the vulnerabilities.
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Interesting - so what vulnerabilities am I being exposed to now if I'm using Firefox 1.5.0.4?
--- Quote from: Mastertech ---It is not biased. Many people do not care if something is open source or not, rather wether it is free. The reality is Opera does not have embedded ads anymore. They probably generate there money now how Firefox does through the search bar.
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IMO, your article is VERY biased. This one is a million times more fair I think - it not only debunks the myths but exposes the truth, and I think that's important if you're gonna go around saying it's not biased.
An example of where I think you're biased:
--- Quote ---Reality - Firefox has incomplete support of many W3C standards including HTML 4.01, XHTML 1.1, CSS 2.1, CSS 3 and DOM.
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The WebDevout Firefox Myths page is much more informative:
--- Quote ---No web browser is 100% standards compliant. The web technology standards are very extensive and it often takes many years to implement all of the features of a standard, plus additional time to fix the bugs. In addition, the standards are always evolving and becoming more and more robust. Firefox
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Mastertech:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---Interesting - so what vulnerabilities am I being exposed to now if I'm using Firefox 1.5.0.4?
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SA20442
SA20244
SA12979
SA12580
SA12403
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---IMO, your article is VERY biased. This one is a million times more fair I think - it not only debunks the myths but exposes the truth, and I think that's important if you're gonna go around saying it's not biased.
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Funny how the one you think is so fair provides ZERO sources and doesn't cover any of the real Myths. It is a nice "feel good" Myths page for all Firefox users who can't handle the truth.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---An example of where I think you're biased:The WebDevout Firefox Myths page is much more informative:I think it's very unfair to leave out that info, since FF is VERY standards compliant. It is CERTAINLY much better than IE in this regard and if it isn't better than Opera then there is definetly not much in it.
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Um that is not a Myth. Everyone knows Firefox supports W3C standards better than IE. What you are talking about is an excuse. The Myth is that Firefox is a standards compliant web browser that fully supports standards. This is one of the most wide spread myths.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---If FF isn't the best web-browser when it comes to standards compliance it is VERY close.
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Maybe, maybe not but it clearly doesn't pass Acid2. You are missing the point of the Myths page. It is not a Firefox Promotional page. I don't make excuses and I don't include them on the page. The page isn't about selling Firefox.
You want to see Bias? Look at his Firefox Myths page than look at his Web browser security summary page. He cut the top "Historical cumulative values (Product life)" off the chart on the Myths page. I know I saw his myths page the first time it went up. He cut the top off because it made Firefox look bad in the vulnerability count. He has since played with the colors, changing almost all of Firefox's to an orange. There is no consistency in the numbers except IE is bad with Red and Firefox is not so bad. He is such a sad, sad fanboy.
Here is another good one. See how Firefox has 129 vulnerabilities with a relative danger of 381? Why then does Opera with only 56 vulnerabilities have a relative danger of 359? Shouldn't Opera's danger be more like 150? At least I don't play with figures like that. I simply count and report exact numbers.
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: Mastertech ---SA20442
SA20244
SA12979
SA12580
SA12403
Funny how the one you think is so fair provides ZERO sources and doesn't cover any of the real Myths. It is a nice "feel good" Myths page for all Firefox users who can't handle the truth.
Um that is not a Myth. Everyone knows Firefox supports W3C standards better than IE. What you are talking about is an excuse. The Myth is that Firefox is a standards compliant web browser that fully supports standards. This is one of the most wide spread myths.
Maybe, maybe not but it clearly doesn't pass Acid2. You are missing the point of the Myths page. It is not an Firefox Promotional page. I don't make excuses and I don't include them on the page. The page isn't about selling Firefox.
You want to see Bias? Look at his Firefox Myths page than look at his Web browser security summary page. He cut the top "Historical cumulative values (Product life)" off the chart on the Myths page. I know I saw his myths page the first time it went up. He cut the top off because it made Firefox look bad in the vulnerability count. He has since played with the colors, changing almost all of Firefox's to an orange. There is no consistency in the numbers except IE is bad with Red and Firefox is not so bad. He is such a sad, sad fanboy.
Here is another good one. See how Firefox has 129 vulnerabilities with a relative danger of 381? Why then does Opera with only 56 vulnerabilities have a relative danger of 359? Shouldn't Opera's danger be more like 150? At least I don't play with figures like that. I simply count and report exact numbers.
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OK, well clearly your page is only about debunking myths as opposed to educating users with the full story. That's sad. Don't go around claiming it isn't biased - it's biased. Not including the full story that shows FF in a GOOD light (because FF is a GOOD web-browser) IS BIAS if you ask me.
This is why everybody hates you - and I hope you understand that. It's not because they're fanboys who can't handle the truth. They can handle the truth - the truth about Firefox is very pretty, the problem is you don't expose any of that.
But sure - you have your "it's a page about MYTHS" excuse, which is fine, but to many people you're still just a sad annoying little troll.
Also, your word doesn't weigh much with me and probably every other human in the world too. Find some evidence that the WebDevout ppl are biased and we might give it some attention.
Mastertech:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---OK, well clearly your page is only about debunking myths as opposed to educating users with the full story. That's sad. Don't go around claiming it isn't biased - it's biased. Not including the full story that shows FF in a GOOD light (because FF is a GOOD web-browser) IS BIAS if you ask me.
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HAHA! That is classic. It is not my fault all the Myths about Firefox are over exaggerated positives. If people come off with a negative view about Firefox after reading my page than it is only because they believed one of the Myths. When you build your house out of cards don't complain because the wind blows it down.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---This is why everybody hates you - and I hope you understand that. It's not because they're fanboys who can't handle the truth. They can handle the truth - the truth about Firefox is very pretty, the problem is you don't expose any of that.
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Actually everyone doesn't hate me. Especially those that can comprehend what the page is about.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---But sure - you have your "it's a page about MYTHS" excuse, which is fine, but to many people you're still just a sad annoying little troll.
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That is not an excuse it is a fact. The page is called FIREFOX MYTHS! It is not a "Review of Firefox" it is not to sell or promote Firefox. The arguments get so ridiculous. It always goes off topic as it has here where people feel they must defend why they like Firefox. It cracks me up every time. I get emails from people telling me why they like Firefox? Who cares that has nothing to do with the page. I don't care why you like it. I simply care that people stop spreading these Myths.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---Also, your word doesn't weigh much with me and probably every other human in the world too. Find some evidence that the WebDevout ppl are biased and we might give it some attention.
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My word? I source all the Facts. And I just provided you with evidence. You didn't read his Internet Explorer is dangerous page? HAHA! Now tell me that is NOT biased. Please.
piratePenguin:
I started a thread about the IE is dangerous page before.
http://www.microsuck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10327
Get over there and post your thoughts.
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