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Dark_Me:
--- Quote ---Right attack the source because the truth hurts. What he claims to hear is pure BS. People all the time say IE is dangerous because it is integrated ect... Talk about more FUD.
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It is. IE is the Windows shell. You know why that is bad right?
And attacking sources is an entirly valid method of argument.
toadlife:
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toadlife:
--- Quote from: Dark_Me ---It is. IE is the Windows shell. You know why that is bad right?
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Not that I'm siding with the troll, but IE being integrated into WIndows is not the problem. The problem with IE is the fact that the IE libraries have tons of vulnerabilities. Koqueror is just as integrated into KDE as IE is into Explorer, and there have been KDE vulnerabilities that have affected many parts of the system. The reason it's done is because it reduces the need for developers to reinvent the wheel everytime the write an app for the platform. OSX also has tons of deep integration as far as multiple programs sharing core libraries, and a vulnerability in a core library is dangerous no matter what OS you are using.
Anyway. Stop feeding the troll guys!
Mastertech:
--- Quote from: cymon ---The vast majority of so-called facts you present have been firmly pulled from your ass.
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Try reading the sources. I know this is a complicated task to ask to do.
--- Quote from: H_TeXMeX_H ---IE is most certainly out of the question when considering browsers ... in fact I don't think it even qualifies as a browser ... reasons: it's very insecure, tons of popups, security holes, no standards compliance, not stable, and many other reasons (you need tons of external programs just to keep it alive and barely useful).
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Talk about a load of BS. I don't have any security issues on a fully patched version of IE. SP2 includes a pop-up blocker or you can simply install the Google or MSN Toolbar. Nice lie about the standards compliance.
"Internet Explorer has very good support (81-86%) for the most important web standard, HTML 4.01. In most educational systems an 81-86% would equal a "B" grade and without HTML the World Wide Web would not exist as we know it."
IE does support some W3C standards but it doesn't really matter since by far the most web pages work correctly only on IE. You actually don't need any special programs outside of standard security applications - Firewall, AntiVirus and AntiSpyware. The claims you made can only be made by someone who has either never used IE much or has no idea what he is talking about.
--- Quote from: H_TeXMeX_H ---Opera is alright, but limited, and not open-source, and has very bad java and javascript support.
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Opera is limited? Only in the same way Firefox is on page compatibility.
--- Quote from: Orethrius ---Mastertech, do you honestly Google your name and spread your opinions wherever you may find it? I guess that must mean we're the fanboys for not doing the same. Actually, on second thought, being as I am both an alternative software pundit AND a male, I'll take that as a compliment. Thanks! :)
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I respond to any false alegations about my page. I don't know what being a Firefox Fanboy has to do with that.
--- Quote from: Orethrius ---Having said that, you blatantly abuse (A), the DMCA (you might consider READING the link you provide, and even track down a copy of section 1201); (B), truth in advertising, by failing to provide complete quotes; (C), trade libel laws, by bringing allegations against several third parties that you have no means of proving; and (D), general common courtesy, by acting as if every counterpoint to your arguments is either sheer idiocy or blatant untruth.
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I've read it fully. All quotes are complete that have to do with advertising. All allegations brought have been proven. Unlike the violations posted in this thread about me and on the webdevout link you provide. Every "counterpoint" have been disproven ad nauseum.
--- Quote from: Orethrius ---If I had a Comcast page, that is to say, if I were too cheap to pay $20 for a year of basic hosting, I'd be far less arrogant than you are now. Beyond that, I have nothing to say to you, but I can certainly see where others might have problems with you. If you haven't noticed, you're not posting to WinBBS, so tread lightly.
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Wow I thought I was doing this for the money? Didn't someone cluelessly post that here? Heh.
--- Quote from: WMD ---It's kinda hard to believe any of that when you've been banned from fourteen different websites for the same problem. What, do you want us to think that it's all just a big conspiracy against you by a bunch of Firefox users? lol. I bet many of them don't even use Firefox...I know I don't.
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Oh no not more of this. Please read this AGAIN! Banned
There is no big "conspiracy" against me as much as a certain group of Fanboys will do anything to personally attack me and suppress the truth on the page. They fear people will stop using Firefox if they read Firefox Myths. But what I have noticed is how scared Firefox Fanboys get when they read my page. I've seen the link deleted and all sorts of crazy claims posted to try and prevent people from reading the page. This has just been a fascinating experience. Keep in mind you did not delete any links to my site and start posting he is a troll blah, blah, blah... ect.. The ones who do are Firefox users. Anyone else with an open mind that can actually think for themselves has no problem with my page.
--- Quote from: WMD ---Speaking for myself, that's not the case. Allow me to explain (with paraphrasing to save reading time):
From your page, one may come to think that there is some browser that has full support. In fact, the only time you say anything contrary to that is when you're bashing David H. for apparently changing his page to make IE look worse (I don't know, I wasn't there.)
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Interesting I do not even imply that. What is stated is very clear. This has been very fascinating. You have to understand this all blew out of proportion when David H. first blog post claiming I was saying IE was better than Firefox. I asked him to remove that statement before I would consider his other points he never did. But again I see people read what they want to and not what is there. There is absolutely nothing I can do about that. No where is it stated that some browser out there fully supports standards. These sorts of assumptions are people jumping to conclusions. Mostly from an irrational initial reaction to something they perceive as criticism of what they believe is perfect (Firefox).
--- Quote from: Dark_Me ---It is. IE is the Windows shell. You know why that is bad right?
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Read the source AGAIN. IE is integrated but there are no special os functionality that only IE exposes that no other browser cannot. I am not debating whether integration is good or bad but the reality of the irrational security issue. Soooo much of this stuff has been going around forever that are blatant lies.
--- Quote from: Dark_Me ---And attacking sources is an entirly valid method of argument.
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It is all the Fanboys have left. They have no facts, no data nothing. What is funny is attacking me does not change the facts from any of my sources or the facts on my page.
"The earth is not flat"
Mastertech:
--- Quote from: toadlife ---Not that I'm siding with the troll, but IE being integrated into WIndows is not the problem. The problem with IE is the fact that the IE libraries have tons of vulnerabilities. Koqueror is just as integrated into KDE as IE is into Explorer, and there have been KDE vulnerabilities that have affected many parts of the system. The reason it's done is because it reduces the need for developers to reinvent the wheel everytime the write an app for the platform. OSX also has tons of deep integration as far as multiple programs sharing core libraries, and a vulnerability in a core library is dangerous no matter what OS you are using.
Anyway. Stop feeding the troll guys!
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Funny how someone who shows up to defend his page is labeled a "Troll". But you are correct it is the vulnerabilities that are the real problem and have always been.
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