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Aloone_Jonez:
--- Quote from: Mastertech ---Correct! I don't, I merely hate misinformation.
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So do I which is why I hate your artical, note I don't think much of Internet Explorer or Firefox, but I prefer the latter.
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Actually ActiveX is secure by default. It will always prompt you to install the control. People who complain about "Auto-Installing Spyware" are running unpatched machines or have MSJVM installed.
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And what's a nube to do?
Probably just click on yes because they don't know what they're doing, oh and good old CERT knows about the problems with ActiveX too (read on).
Either way, no one here believes any of the Firefox myths, we all know that FireFox isn't 100% secure (no browser is) but you cannot deny the fact that Microsoft Internet Explorer is the worst as far as security is concerned. Opera is probably one of the most secure browsers around, infact my bet would be on a text-only browser like Lynx.
http://www.webdevout.net/security_summary.php
Old news I know but even CERT recommend you use an alternative to IE.
http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/713878
You talk about standards, well as far as I'm concerned IE is one big problem because it's using a form of vendor lock in to retain its dominance rather than being superiour from a technilogical aspect.
--- Quote from: Mastertech ---"Firefox has lower System Requirements than Internet Explorer"
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That doesn't mean anything, any software vendor can give overly optimistic minimum system requirements, the very fact that you've mentioned this means you're trying to misinform people. Rather than look at this you should focus more on things like memory usage, here's an example of how minimim requirements are confusing XP lists a minimum requirement of 64MB of RAM while Ubuntu, lists 256MB, however the default configureations for both OSs result in similar memory usage, both use between 80MB and 110MB when booted up with no other porgrams running.
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Market Share 2005
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Well you can play with the numbers all you want but does anyone really care?
For example I could argue that UNIX has more vunerabilities than Windows because more are listed on Secunia, but there again I would be forgetting the fact that UNIX is a very big familly of operating systems.
See my point?
The anti-Firefox crowd will push the figures one way and the pro-Firefox crowd will push them the other way.
--- Quote from: Mastertech ---"Firefox is the Fastest Web Browser"
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Again, it depends on how you measure speed, the fact that you only mention start up time is an indication thet you're trying to decieve people, also you've made no mention of the fact that IE is only faster because it's already loaded when you boo Windows and that you can pre-fetch Firefox so it pops up just as quickly.
--- Quote from: Mastertech ---OS Integration Security
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This is plain wrong, just read the CERT article and you'll see.
--- Quote from: Mastertech ---Acid 2 Browser Test
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I know, Opera is the only browser that passes it, but just you try it in IE then Firefox, sure Firefox doesn't pass but it's a damn sight nearer to passing than IE is.
--- Quote from: Mastertech ---"Firefox is completely compatible with every Web Site"
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Neither is Internet Explorer, but there again just because more developers support IE it doesn't make it any better.
--- Quote from: Mastertech --- I provide free advice on how to secure you system here: Secure XP. The only time you ever have to reformat a PC due to Malware infection is if it is a Rootkit.
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And I've read it and it's bullshit, the very fact that you've been infected by a Rootkit before means you're not doing things right.
Anyway, I've read on your site you like OpenOffice.org, what's your view on MS Office, and what about MS Works? Do you agree with me tha MS Works is a complete was of space?
H_TeXMeX_H:
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--- Quote from: toadlife --- WooHoo! I am the biggest M$ Shill "The Boogieman" has ever met!
(People who leave negative reputation anonymously are pansies)
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like you didn't know who it was, just a little payback with all due respect, you punch me and I punch you ...
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worker201:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin --- The W3C developed XHTML some time around 1999 - 7 years ago. Even in IE7, it is not supported. Send IE7 an XHTML document, as long as you're using the proper MIME type, IE won't even recognise it as a webpage!
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Wait a second, that's not true. Internet Explorer has broken support for XHTML, but it does support it. And MIME type, I don't know what you're talking about - IE's incorrect support for XHTML is based on the DTD.
Here's a webpage of mine - XHTML Strict, CSS:
http://www.triple-bypass.net/brickpics/family-wagon/montana.htm
I just looked at it in IE for the very first time. It renders the png wrong (another major complaint against IE), but otherwise, it performs correctly.
So I have no idea what you're talking about. Please explain.
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: worker201 ---Wait a second, that's not true. Internet Explorer has broken support for XHTML, but it does support it. And MIME type, I don't know what you're talking about - IE's incorrect support for XHTML is based on the DTD.
Here's a webpage of mine - XHTML Strict, CSS:
http://www.triple-bypass.net/brickpics/family-wagon/montana.htm
I just looked at it in IE for the very first time. It renders the png wrong (another major complaint against IE), but otherwise, it performs correctly.
So I have no idea what you're talking about. Please explain.
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The MIME type describes the type of the document. Generally, for every request for a document off a web-server, the web-server sends back a Content-type header which contains the MIME type. If the MIME type is text/html, the web-browser knows to render the document as HTML. If the MIME type is image/svg+xml, the web-browser knows to render the document as SVG. If it's something like application/ogg (an OGG file) the web-browser won't be able to handle it so it'll ask the user what to do - to open it with an application or to save it to disk.
I see your web-page is sent as text/html. The W3C discourages sending XHTML documents as text/html -and encourage using application/xhtml+xml. See this note.
Your page is sent as text/html - since this is how web-browsers decide how to treat a document... they'll treat it like HTML (but this is where I get confused - because I know they generally use the HTML parser to parse the document, but other than that I haven't a clue). Even Firefox etc :(
Know the way XHTML, being XML, is strict about closing tags and all that? Remove a tag from your document and I bet the web-browser won't squeal like it's supposed to with XHTML.
I remember the first time I heard this, I had a page that a whole site would be based on written in XHTML and I was sending it as text/html, so I learned about this stuff and switched it to application/xhtml+xml (sometimes this is as simple as using a .xhtml file extension - depends on the web-server configuration) and IT FUCKING BROKE! I couldn't fix it - something to do with the body tag not being "special" anymore or something (I couldn't set the background image/colour IIRC), I can't remember the details.
But often it's alot more complex using proper XHTML than switching the MIME type. All the time your page was being treated as HTML - XHTML is far more strict than HTML (and it's not only the XMLness), so you could've been doing things wrong and never noticed.
You might want to consider (a) switching to HTML 4.01 (b) switching to application/xhtml+xml, perhaps telling IE users how crap their web-browser is via a simple HTML 4.01 page, or you could just leave it...
BTW your page doesn't validate ;)
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.triple-bypass.net%2Fbrickpics%2Ffamily-wagon%2Fmontana.htm
Looks like the validator's treating it as XHTML.
Those are pretty simple errors to fix.
http://hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml
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