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Javascript to help IE users browsing your site.
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---I can see your point but it is possible to create a page that follows web-standards 100% and no browser displays it properly because no browser is 100% compliant.
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It would depend on the browser and the standard. If I use some advanced features of e.g. CSS, I might be able to work-around, standardly, for the browsers that don't support that ADVANCED feature (this'd work with e.g. drop shadows).
The acid test page uses advanced features intentionally for something that would otherwise be fit to be done BETTER (but with the same output) with far less advanced features. If it was an actually-useful webapp I would respect it MUCH more, but I'm sure even then it could be shown that the advanced features can be worked araound in a standard way without using advanced features (which are harder to implement in browsers).
--- Quote ---Konqueror 3.5 can do the acid2 test fine, but no other browsers I know of can.
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Konqueror was the first web browser to do acid test increadibly-close-to-completely, but there was a seriously-minor problem with it (something to do with scrollbars), and then opera got to it.
inane:
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---Oh no let's not have people using propri
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inane:
--- Quote from: solemnwarning ---Konqueror 3.5 can do the acid2 test fine, but no other browsers I know of can.
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Safari could BEFORE Konq... but that secret to khtml was thrown back at our qt friends from apple.
Aloone_Jonez:
--- Quote from: inane ---Why are you making fun of the GNU philosophy?
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Because the whole "we hate propri€tary $oftwar€z" thing is plainly moronic, it doesn't help your cause, just because someone doesn't want to GPL their code it doesn't mean they have some evil agenda. I agree with many parts of the GNU philosophy, mosty with the freedom part and for me this includes the freedom to choose an open license like the GPL or BSD or to choose a proprietary licence when you release your work.
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I also forgot to reinforce my previous point about some people prefering IE over FireFox and Opera, I think you should just leave them to it as it's their choice after all, just don't let them ask you for help if it goes down, you won't achieve anything by nagging these people apart from piss them off.
--- Quote from: inane --- I don't get it... it's not like it's some 1337 script kiddie thing to believe.
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I believe in free software, I just don't think it's always the best software, some of it's crap compared to the proprietary alternatives.
--- Quote from: inane ---I've had more issues with Opera with plugins than in Firefox,
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I've had issues with Firefox loosing my downloads when there's an interruption in the Internet connection or power supply and zooming in on pages containing pictures and Macromedia flash is ugly even with the picture zoom extension installed. I've not had to use any plugins with Opera as unlike Firefox it has all the features I need.
--- Quote from: inane --- other than that Opera works fine and so does IE, as long as it's not by itself and has a registry guard running in the background.
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To be honest, I haven't had any problems with Firefox apart from the downloads and zooming issues, oh and IE has these too, also I don't have registry guard because I don't need it.
--- Quote from: inane --- In fact I notice very little difference... Konqueror3.2 and 3.5 is faster than any of them.
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I agree Konqueror is great, it's probably the fastest browser out there apart from text mode browsers of course.
--- Quote from: inane ---I take issue on the ideological end and I, like many others,
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I myself am more objective, I look at what software fulfills my needs and then go and aquire it, sometimes free software meets my needs and often it doesn't so I'll use something non-free. I tend to look at the price, features and integration with other software (note open standards effect this) and I read reviews and search around the Internet for information, this is all before I look at the license.
--- Quote from: inane --- see the failure of IE as a nice step in the direction of free and open standards.
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You can have free and open standards without having free and open software you know, look at Adobe Acrobat, see how PDF is a free and open standard even though the software isn't? anyway I fail to see what this has to do with IE being shit. Hardare also can suffer from problems such as closed standards but I don't hear many people bitching about closed source hardware just software, which is pretty stupid in my opinion.
--- Quote from: inane ---It makes me feel good inside, no need to rain on our parade, dude.
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Now you're really sounding like a hippy man, cool dude, nah only joking. :D
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---I can see your point but it is possible to create a page that follows web-standards 100% and no browser displays it properly because no browser is 100% compliant.
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Firefox, Opera, Konqueror, Safari. Some of the seriously advanced (standard) stuff aren't even supported by many of these generally-good (when it comes to standards) browsers, but if you're using seriously advanced stuff then obviously it's a seriously advanced page you're making - feel free to alert users that it won't be rendered, and feel free to refer them to FF/Opera/Konq/Safari or whatever good browser WILL render the page (if they're visiting the page, it should be safe to assume they want to see it. When you alert them they can make their minds up if they wanna install FF, install Opera, install GNU/Linux (for example) + Konquror or buy a Mac (so they can use Safari)).
I found a really good answer to the question "Why are standards so important?", from the dillo web site (lots of good (as in good) stuff on that site:
--- Quote from: http://www.dillo.org/help/bug_meter.html ---Why are standards so important?
When a page is not standards compliant it becomes slang, and as such its interpretation is subjective or, at best, only known to its creators.
Such pages, and particularly those with multiple slang instances, start to become only understandable by one interpreter (browser).
Once this happens, the universality of the WEB fails, because it restricts site usage to a certain browser.
Making your sites standards-compliant will help ensure every browser, old and new, will be able to present the sites properly, and also that they will work in the future, making your site accesible from a wide range of devices ranging from desktops to cell phones.
The universality and interoperability of the WEB is one of the biggest assets of mankind today. Liberty of expression and freedom of information have found their new home inside the fertile WEB space.
If you let a single corporation or entity the power to control the Internet's protocols, they would be able to control the WEB just as much as the mass-media.
Please don't let that happen.
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BTW I used to use an extension that would persist Firefox. If the electricity went off, or something crashed, starting FF would just continue it like nothing happened. If I had the extension installed now and the power went off, once I run FF next time I'd still have my post infront of me. There is one problem that I heard about it though (never affected me though) - apparantly you can't install other extensions with it on (that's why I'm not installing it yet, until this is fixed).
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