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Javascript to help IE users browsing your site.
piratePenguin:
One of my favourite reads ever
Aloone_Jonez:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---Firefox, Opera, Konqueror, Safari. Some of the seriously advanced (standard) stuff aren't even supported by many of these generally-good (when it comes to standards) browsers, but if you're using seriously advanced stuff then obviously it's a seriously advanced page you're making - feel free to alert users that it won't be rendered, and feel free to refer them to FF/Opera/Konq/Safari or whatever good browser WILL render the page (if they're visiting the page, it should be safe to assume they want to see it. When you alert them they can make their minds up if they wanna install FF, install Opera, install GNU/Linux (for example) + Konquror or buy a Mac (so they can use Safari)).
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The main point is if you want 90% of people to be able to view your page then don't do any advanced stuff most browsers won't work with as few people will change just to view your site, they'd rather go somewhere else.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---I found a really good answer to the question "Why are standards so important?", from the dillo web site (lots of good (as in good) stuff on that site:
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I agree standards are very important, in every aspect of technology, including hardware too.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---BTW I used to use an extension that would persist Firefox. If the electricity went off, or something crashed, starting FF would just continue it like nothing happened. If I had the extension installed now and the power went off, once I run FF next time I'd still have my post infront of me. There is one problem that I heard about it though (never affected me though) - apparantly you can't install other extensions with it on (that's why I'm not installing it yet, until this is fixed).
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Sounds handy, don't think even Opera supprts that, how about the contents of forms, if you were in the middle of typing a post would you loose it if the power went off?
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---One of my favourite reads ever
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I'd rather not derail this thread so I'll be as brief as possible.
I found this article difficult to read he does bollock on a bit but none the less he does raises some valid points but I don't buy into all of them.
Like the economics of free software for example, he's obviosly thinking about operating systems and servers where the author can easilly make a profit on selling their services. However this doesn't transfer to other areas like computer games, (no one's going to play each level over and over until it's bug free) this is why open source software hasn't done very well in this area. I think free software is great but it isn't suitable for all business models, it depends on the type of software you're selling and the market you're aiming it at, saying there's only one way to do things is a very bad thing.
What about pattents?
We all bitch about software pattents but no one ever bitches about hardware pattents. From Stallman's point of view if you copy someone's invention and then start manufacturering it yourself you shouldn't be hurting them (I don't agree with this). There are serious implecations for hardware pattents, the main ones are storage media and protocol, it's the same principle, stopping the competing product interoperating with yours.
As far as I'm concerned pirating software is bad but it's not as bad as the companies say. Stealing software is like sneeking onto a bus or train or into a cinima or concert without paying or even watching cable TV with an illegal decoder, you're taking away their business.
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---The main point is if you want 90% of people to be able to view your page then don't do any advanced stuff most browsers won't work with as few people will change just to view your site, they'd rather go somewhere else.
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How can you create a web-based SVG editor without using advanced stuff?
I don't know of any other web-based SVG editor the viewers will go to.
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I agree standards are very important, in every aspect of technology, including hardware too.
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Well yes.
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Sounds handy, don't think even Opera supprts that, how about the contents of forms, if you were in the middle of typing a post would you loose it if the power went off?
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Nope IIRC.
Aloone_Jonez:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---How can you create a web-based SVG editor without using advanced stuff?
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Are you talking about SVG support in browsers?
IE has a plugin, so does Firefox and Opera 9 has some SVG support too, I don't know how good it is though.
Back to the that Firefox extension you talked about:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---If the electricity went off, or something crashed, starting FF would just continue it like nothing happened.
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In what way does it return back to the way it was when the power went off?
If it's downloading then Opera supports it but if you're talking about tabs and forms then no browser I know of supports that. I mean if Opera were to crash now (which is unlikely since I don't think it's ever crashed on me before) then it would load as it did when I last started it but all the downloads would resume of course.
Talking of browsers I've just discovered another one, it's called Orca, I'm sure you've heard of Avant well, it's bascally the same thing but for the Gecko engine. I know you lot probably won't agree with it because of the license or the fact it's Windows only but it looks quite good, I think I'll try it, and if I like it then it might become my main Windows browser or I'll recommend it to Windows users.
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---Are you talking about SVG support in browsers?
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No, I'm talking about something like this (save support definetly possible, just not implemented fully).
--- Quote ---IE has a plugin, so does Firefox and Opera 9 has some SVG support too, I don't know how good it is though.
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FF has had a subset of SVG supported in 1.5 (they're improving it all the time). Opera 9's handling the basic SVG I've been feeding it.
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Back to the that Firefox extension you talked about:
In what way does it return back to the way it was when the power went off?
If it's downloading then Opera supports it but if you're talking about tabs and forms then no browser I know of supports that. I mean if Opera were to crash now (which is unlikely since I don't think it's ever crashed on me before) then it would load as it did when I last started it but all the downloads would resume of course.
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Can't find that fucking extension again, but IIRC it just saved basically everything (forms, tabs, the lot) every so often (very often) and loaded it when FF started again. Which is pretty shit because ya know the way u gotta restart FF to install/uninstall an extension? With that extension enabled you can't do either, so to get rid of it you gotta do it manually or remove your profile directory.
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Talking of browsers I've just discovered another one, it's called Orca, I'm sure you've heard of Avant well, it's bascally the same thing but for the Gecko engine. I know you lot probably won't agree with it because of the license or the fact it's Windows only but it looks quite good, I think I'll try it, and if I like it then it might become my main Windows browser or I'll recommend it to Windows users.
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Jesus I can't see anything it has on FF. Looks like FF has fucking loads on it though (the fact that it's free software being one big one).
Whenever I wanna edit video, I'll look at Cinelera and kino before any non-free software. If they do the job good enough, I'll stick with them. If you wanna browser, why wouldn't the free browser do the job? OK, in some areas it's not good, but in other's it's King (think extensions) - AND IT'S FREE SOFTWARE.
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