Vista public BETA released

[Jack2000]

about the RAM
you know Vista reqs a DDR2 ram not DDR ot SD !
so if you had computer from back then you are screwed
your mother board will not be compatible with that too...
and if you want a healthy system with fat-type of fsys
you are screwed tooo !
so i do not like vista i aint upgrading just for that ...
maby fot Half-life 2 or some other major hit that i like
but not for M$!

[toadlife]

about the RAM
you know Vista reqs a DDR2

No it doesn't.

[toadlife]

Well Aero must be one bloated piece of shit considering Xgl runs dreamy (by that I mean: no obvious performance difference) on my Athlon XP 2600+, 256 MB RAM, radeon 9600

Uhhh, the specs you just quoted would run Vista with Aero.

[toadlife]

Yeah anybody who dislikes the actions of Microsoft must be a total idiot... :thumbup:

I didn't say that.

[piratePenguin]

Uhhh, the specs you just quoted would run Vista with Aero.

A typical five year old PC would need a RAM upgrade to run Vista. 512MB of ram.

I don't have 512 MB RAM. Xgl runs fine and dandy with 256.

[pofnlice]

To me it seems it's all about obsoleting the 32bit machines in favor of the new 64 bit and getting consumers to
A. Purchase high-end package computers from manufacturers
or
B. Getting the guys who build their own to go out and by all the newest sound, video, mobo, cpu they can. Then sink a shit load of dinero into ram.

Either way, if the operating system is that demanding, it must be more bloat than necessary apps.

How about MS just follow the path of the underdogs for once. Just make an OS that does what it's supposed to? I mean if you had a pool of programmers and engineers like they do, you would expect some insanely crazy and efficient releases...one would think...

[H_TeXMeX_H]

I don't have 512 MB RAM. Xgl runs fine and dandy with 256.

Exactly ... I mean it requires 512 MB not 256 MB ... in fact even XP has trouble with that little ram (had to upgrade my bro's RAM cuz he had problems and slowness with XP)

Oh, and a good set of RAM cards (512 MB) will cost you around $200 not $60.

For Aero: A graphics card upgrade ... I doubt old graphics card could run Aero without choking remember you need 128 MB of graphical memory (+ $400) ... the processor needs to be at least 1Ghz so you'll need to upgrade that (around $400). In fact you will need 1 GB RAM if you want to run Aero ... another $300 for a decent set or $400 for a good set. What if your mobo won't support some of the hardware ... another possible $200. Oh and you may need a DVD-ROM drive ... ($150). Another $150 for a better power supply 400 W. Plus Vi$ta ... $450

So this will run you around $1850-$2150

[Lead Head]

Exactly ... I mean it requires 512 MB not 256 MB ... in fact even XP has trouble with that little ram (had to upgrade my bro's RAM cuz he had problems and slowness with XP)

Oh, and a good set of RAM cards (512 MB) will cost you around $200 not $60.

For Aero: A graphics card upgrade ... I doubt old graphics card could run Aero without choking remember you need 128 MB of graphical memory (+ $400) ... the processor needs to be at least 1Ghz so you'll need to upgrade that (around $400). In fact you will need 1 GB RAM if you want to run Aero ... another $300 for a decent set or $400 for a good set. What if your mobo won't support some of the hardware ... another possible $200. Oh and you may need a DVD-ROM drive ... ($150). Another $150 for a better power supply 400 W. Plus Vi$ta ... $450

So this will run you around $1850-$2150

Saphire x1800GTO 256MB $189
Athlon 64 3500 $114
OCZ Gold Series 1GB DDR2 Kit $95
MSI K9N Neo-F AM2 Mobo $80
Antec TruePower 2.0 550Watt PSU $90
BenQ DVD Burner $35

Tex, I have no idea where you get your prices from....The rig above is more then enough to run vista, ontop of that it can play pretty much any game known to man at max quality. All for $603.

[piratePenguin]

Saphire x1800GTO 256MB $189
Athlon 64 3500 $114
OCZ Gold Series 1GB DDR2 Kit $95
MSI K9N Neo-F AM2 Mobo $80
Antec TruePower 2.0 550Watt PSU $90
BenQ DVD Burner $35

Tex, I have no idea where you get your prices from....The rig above is more then enough to run vista, ontop of that it can play pretty much any game known to man at max quality. All for $603.

Can Aero output to the motherboard LEDs? Now that is impressive!

EDIT: okay, seriously, you forgot Vista itself, and a harddrive, and a case... And $600+ is ALOT of money, considering I built this rig (excluding monitor, kb, etc) for e300 (well over) TWO YEARS AGO, and it runs Ubuntu 6.06, a modern < 3 week old OS, brilliantly. Even in the default of GNOME, which I could easily shitch to XFCE or fluxbox or something else more suited to older hardware.

[Lead Head]

Actually, I could have gone alot cheaper.

EDIT, I did CHeaper while still being easily able to run vista

80GB Western digital HD
Foxconn Socket AM2 motherboard
Saphire x1300 256MB video card
430Watt Antec Truepower 2.0 PSU
1GB Ocz ram
AMD Sempron 2800

$409.96 from newegg.com

[ReggieMicheals]

And bullshit will Vista run on that, infact XP would struggle to run on a machine that slow which says something as it's the year it was released.

Actually, it runs as smooth as the Windows 2000 that came on it. Some issues occur when I put effects on full blast, but it gives out a decent performance. I stress decent.

[piratePenguin]

125mb for that piece of crap! HOW IN THE NAME OF FUCK!?

[ReggieMicheals]

Christ that's a waste of CPU power.

[piratePenguin]

Actually, it runs as smooth as the Windows 2000 that came on it. Some issues occur when I put effects on full blast, but it gives out a decent performance. I stress decent.

Still: you'd think an OS would give very GOOD performace on a typical computer at the year of release...

Give me Ubuntu 6.06 on a typical 3 week old system. Ubuntu will not slow it down.

God I wanna download Vista and see how it runs on this rig with Aero disabled so I can look at the really important things, nameley how it copes (a) with no swap and (b) with loadsa swap being used. I've seen linux in both of these situations and it handled very well. (a) whenever I was messing about with the init system and forgot to enable the swap init script. Swap was disabled for nearly a month and I wouldn't have noticed except I tried to compile mozilla which led to an OOM (out of memory) error that would intelligently kill the compiling process (would windows do the same thing or would it bsod or what..?). And (b) right now, because I've been using over 300 mb of swap consistently for the last day thanks to helping rosetta@home and there isn't a huge performance difference. Programs start a little slower, that's it. Interestingly, ATM, 27% of my ram is cache.

[H_TeXMeX_H]

Saphire x1800GTO 256MB $189
Athlon 64 3500 $114
OCZ Gold Series 1GB DDR2 Kit $95
MSI K9N Neo-F AM2 Mobo $80
Antec TruePower 2.0 550Watt PSU $90
BenQ DVD Burner $35

Tex, I have no idea where you get your prices from....The rig above is more then enough to run vista, ontop of that it can play pretty much any game known to man at max quality. All for $603.

Saphire ... never heard of it. Anyway, you forgot Vi$ta ($450) bringing it to $1053. Besides, I was going for reliability not cheapness ... got my prices from froogle, not the cheapest, but something more reliable. As in the hardware won't break soon after you buy it as has happened to me several times when buying cheap ... now I only buy things that are not as cheap, but more reliable.