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« on: 16 June 2006, 00:14 »
So I'm testing this multimedia cd which runs through the browser before I burn it for distribution.  This is in SeaMonkey, WinXP-SP2.  I click on one of the links to a PDF file, and it takes like 10 minutes to load.  Which is just too damn long for a 32k PDF.  I figure Acrobat is upset about something, so I open it up.  Sure enough, it's only at version 7.0.7, and it wants to be at 7.0.8.  Fine, I make the upgrade.  Unfortunately, the Acrobat plugin no longer works.  In any browser - even the dreaded IE.  Dammit, so now I'm thinking that the update fucked something up, and the best thing to do is reinstall Acrobat from scratch - that's what Adobe would suggest.  So I go into the control panel and uninstall Acrobat 7 Professional Tryout, Acrobat Reader 7.0.8, and Acrobat Reader Language Support 7.0.5 - what a mess!  Of course, you have to restart the computer to finish the uninstallation.  So I go to shut down.  At this point, Windows informs me that it will be installing 8 (8!!!!) critical updates!

What's sad is that this is a pretty typical afternoon logged into the Windows computer.  Every fucking time, there is some fucked up thing going on.  It never ends.  Actually, it gets worse with every passing day - more updates, more upgrades, more applications that self-destruct.  The only thing that is constantly decreasing is the system's stability.

And this ain't some half-assed software from a nobody-vendor running on a beta OS.  This is Adobe and the world's operating system.  You would think that with that much money, they could get their shit together.

Well, I'm headed off to Adobe to download Acrobat.  Thanks for listening.

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« Reply #1 on: 16 June 2006, 01:23 »
That sounds about right. Everything Microsoft does sucks up a LOT of memory and system resources. I've always wondered how much QA they build into their code. I get the feeling that their programming is very sloppy. They probably duplicate every call to anything because their divisions can't talk to each other.

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Re: rantrantrant
« Reply #2 on: 16 June 2006, 11:26 »
http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php

windows can be just as fast but anti-virus, firewall, anti-spyware, security updates, slow it down.

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Re: rantrantrant
« Reply #3 on: 16 June 2006, 13:25 »
i think it is a matter of your choice of program and settings :)
how I in 98 never get that kind of shit ... easy ... i do not use stupid %&^%$ .pdf
and acrobat stuff ... + wtf ? security ?
who is going to hack you ... NSA or maby the CIA

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« Reply #4 on: 16 June 2006, 14:00 »
When I wrote my post last night I was trying to type one handed while giving a bottle to my youngest. I did forget to mention Adobe's contributions to the problems that Microsoft creates. Adobe is bloatware on it's own. I've tried using Foxit a few times, but often I need a few of Adobe's features.

I've only taken a few programming classes, but I've never quite understood why programs like Adobe want to load 48 Gigabytes (yes--> an exaggeration) worth of plugins and services upon start up. Why can't software be designed to only load what it needs when it needs it? Are the rest of the world's users besides me willing to suffer an overall performance hit simply to feel that their application start up times will be shorter? It's like that stupid Real Player system tray icon. I've never noticed Real Player starting up any faster if I allow it to run in my start up menu or run it from scratch.

The instructors that I've had worked hard to beat it into our heads to keep our code efficient. It seems like none of their students work for the world's premier software companies.

Anyway, that's my own rant.

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« Reply #5 on: 16 June 2006, 15:47 »
I go to this newsgroup every once in a while for a bit of humor...

microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support

right on topic, check this out!

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I just spent 1 hr. or updating my system "again"!

I have some sugestions for you Microsoft.

Could you make it so that your software calls home every day because you
don't trust me? Oh wait...you already do.

Hell, make it call home every 10 minutes. You never know what underhanded
thing I might have done in that short time! My bandwidth is not your problem
after all.

My time isn't your problem either (so you seem to think).

Could you make it so that I'm constantly nagged to update, then than nag me
every 15 minutes to restart my system, or restart it on it's own even if I
don't want to but happen to turn my back for a second (right at 14min
59sec), even though I'm in the middle of something really important? Oh
wait, you already did.

How about bloating your Operating system and making it so that it doesn't
play that well with other (competitors) software because you want to be the
"Be-all-to-end-all" in computing? Oh wait, you already did.

How about letting installed programs put "so many" (read Symantec) entries
into the registry that it would take a week to find them and remove all the
useless entries left over from an uninstalled program? Oh wait, you already
did.

How about making Oultook Express Rule system work sometimes? Works half the
time? That'd be cool! Oh wait, you already did.

Should I go on...?

How about making your tech support so unfriendly and expensive, no body in
their right mind would bother try call you? Oh wait, you already did.

I guess you really don't need a suggestion box!

Meanwhile, Ubuntu seems to be more responsive running on my boat-anchor HP
750 mhz p3 I salvaged, with 256 megs of ram than Windows XP does on my 2.8
P4 with 1 gig or ram. I've been at building and optimizing systems for 15+
years now.

Windows seems nothing more than habit anymore. Ubuntu install went pretty
easy. Runs smooth, no registry, programs stay in their own folder and not
all over your hard drive, free, Lots of free apps. No support! But
hey!...Where's Microsoft's support?

"MS release patches.. some people out there again spend time trying to
discredit the company and the software.. "

Microsoft doesn't need lots of help in that department. How many patches
should we need in any given week?

Choose one and stick with it. X-boxes or operating systems, what's it going
to be? Hold the customer at the top of the pyramid, the rest will follow.


I guess you can imagine, all the MS groupies weren't flaming this guy, just telling him if he doesn't like it, then use something else. And, well if it sucks so bad then why is it the #1 OS out there, bla bla bla. It was quite humorous.
Quote from: "Orethrius"
After all, running Windows without a decent anti-virus is like walking through a Red Light District after eating five metric tonnes of Viagra.

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« Reply #6 on: 16 June 2006, 16:03 »
That is funny.

I was working with SuSE Linux 10.1 on an older notebook that I have, but I couldn't for the life of me get the wireless support working. I know, barely a year ago I would have been perfectly happy to use a laptop with a NIC card, but times change. I was going back and forth between the wi-fi card and the xircom NIC when suddenly the NIC stopped working. Doh! I was afriad I somehow broke my PCMCIA slot. I tried a few things in the meantime, figuring that I may have crippled a network setting. I ordered a free Solaris DVD, so I tried installing that instead, but it didn't come up in a graphical environment and I don't know Solaris well enough to run it in a command line, so I took the Compaq CD's that came with the laptop and reinstalled ME. Sure enough, ME autodetected the wi-fi card and let me install drivers. Just when I started thinking that MAYBE I could live with that, I tried to install the extra software CD's and sure enough, Windows ME could NOT find the startup file on the CD's, EVEN THOUGH I POINTED ME RIGHT TO IT!

I did the next best thing: put SuSE Linux 10.1 back on it. I think I'd rather spend my time googling tips on ndiswrapper than screw with ME who can't find a startup file on a CD-ROM.

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Re: rantrantrant
« Reply #7 on: 16 June 2006, 22:35 »
Quote from: Pathos
http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php

windows can be just as fast but anti-virus, firewall, anti-spyware, security updates, slow it down.

Thanks for the suggestion.  However, the cd I am testing will be widely distributed, and many people around the world will want to view the PDF documents on the disc.  I want this cd to work on most computers with little or no hassle.  And since Adobe Acrobat Reader is a worldwide standard, available for all platforms in a variety of releases, that's what I'm going to use to test this thing.  Hey, it could be worse - my boss wanted to put .ai Illustrator files on the disc.

Note: after installing all those updates, restarting the computer and installing Acrobat Reader 7.0.8 clean, everything is groovy again.  
Hopefully it will stay that way, since I have a couple more hours of work to do before I switch back to Linux for a few weeks.

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Re: rantrantrant
« Reply #8 on: 16 June 2006, 23:58 »
Quote from: Pathos
http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php

windows can be just as fast but anti-virus, firewall, anti-spyware, security updates, slow it down.

I was gonna recommend this one too ... it's the best I've found ... useless though, now that I don't use Window$.