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Few questions about OS X...
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: bedouin ---No, I want the company and platform to survive you retard. What part of "OS X development is subsidized through hardware sales" don't you understand? If they can position themselves to be like Microsoft and make money solely off the OS, I wouldn't mind that -- but it's not a reality, and won't be for a really long time.
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1. release an intel version of OS X without the TPM checks.
2. offer them to Dell and the other big OEMs at special prices.
3. ...profit!
bedouin:
Yeah, that worked out real well for BeOS.
With your logic though, Apple should be happy making a measly $20 profit from Dell compared the large profit margin they currently make on hardware, which trickles down to an OS that Windows and Linux don't even get around to ripping off until five years later -- even with MS's massive R&D.
Not to mention, those profits keep the chain of cool hardware Apple produces flowing along smoothly; if it weren't for Apple we'd still probably be stuck in a paradigm of beige boxes and 20lbs laptops.
obob:
i highly doubt that given that the majority of hardware development is fueled by Microsoft (gaming hardware, think Direct3D, which your beloved doesn't seem to support) which pushes cooling technology forward, which pushes case design forward
laptop design is pushed by a desire to have faster, more capble laptops, not to compete with Apple, Apple doesn't drive anything, Apple competes in mp3 player sales by making itself the "popular fad" for teenagers everywhere, and in hardware, it buys more or less the same hardware used in PC's
So, in short, you're saying that Apple is the reason the computer industry doesn't suck, I'm saying that Apple makes a very very very very small mark, it doesn't push IHV's to release more capable graphics hardware, it doesn't push IHV's to release more efficient hardware with higher performance standards, it doesn't push IHV's to invent new technologies to better utilize it, it actually complains when IHV's build anything related to it
You wanna argue Apple for advancing technology forwards, lets look at a few various roles that computers play:
HPC's, which are primarily built my HP, IBM, Cray, SGI, Sun, etc, Apple can't compete, these companies push the realm of hardware (and software) to the limit just to squeeze more power out of their systems
then lets move to laptops, Apple currently makes one of the most overpriced laptops on the market, oh wow, it runs OS X, so amazing *yawn* while you can buy the same Core Duo laptop from Sony, Lenovo, HP, etc, for considerably less, have more customizable options (and ZOMG I know that having a silver or blue or green laptop is such crap compared to Apple's AMAZINGLY UNIQUE ability to make AN ALL WHITE computer)
you wanna argue style, lets talk style, Apple has zero customizability, yeah you can "hack your mac" oh wow, that's so amazing, it's the same case and the same layout but it got painted an ew color (AMAZING)
seriously, they got nothing, they're overpriced, and just scream and complain if anyone tries to reduce that price...so yeah, i see your point, profit margins through screwing their customers, which might explain why they have so few customers in the first place (or the more logical assumption that it's just a bad idea in general to get a mac, and on that note, i love how a thread asking about mac turned into a flame war because someone wants to feel speshul for having an Apple)
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: bedouin ---Yeah, that worked out real well for BeOS.
With your logic though, Apple should be happy making a measly $20 profit from Dell compared the large profit margin they currently make on hardware, which trickles down to an OS that Windows and Linux don't even get around to ripping off until five years later -- even with MS's massive R&D.
Not to mention, those profits keep the chain of cool hardware Apple produces flowing along smoothly; if it weren't for Apple we'd still probably be stuck in a paradigm of beige boxes and 20lbs laptops.
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Er, Apple could continue selling Macs and iPods and all their other products, believe it or not.
worker201:
--- Quote from: obob ---i highly doubt that given that the majority of hardware development is fueled by Microsoft (gaming hardware, think Direct3D, which your beloved doesn't seem to support) which pushes cooling technology forward, which pushes case design forward
laptop design is pushed by a desire to have faster, more capble laptops, not to compete with Apple, Apple doesn't drive anything, Apple competes in mp3 player sales by making itself the "popular fad" for teenagers everywhere, and in hardware, it buys more or less the same hardware used in PC's
So, in short, you're saying that Apple is the reason the computer industry doesn't suck, I'm saying that Apple makes a very very very very small mark, it doesn't push IHV's to release more capable graphics hardware, it doesn't push IHV's to release more efficient hardware with higher performance standards, it doesn't push IHV's to invent new technologies to better utilize it, it actually complains when IHV's build anything related to it
You wanna argue Apple for advancing technology forwards, lets look at a few various roles that computers play:
HPC's, which are primarily built my HP, IBM, Cray, SGI, Sun, etc, Apple can't compete, these companies push the realm of hardware (and software) to the limit just to squeeze more power out of their systems
then lets move to laptops, Apple currently makes one of the most overpriced laptops on the market, oh wow, it runs OS X, so amazing *yawn* while you can buy the same Core Duo laptop from Sony, Lenovo, HP, etc, for considerably less, have more customizable options (and ZOMG I know that having a silver or blue or green laptop is such crap compared to Apple's AMAZINGLY UNIQUE ability to make AN ALL WHITE computer)
you wanna argue style, lets talk style, Apple has zero customizability, yeah you can "hack your mac" oh wow, that's so amazing, it's the same case and the same layout but it got painted an ew color (AMAZING)
seriously, they got nothing, they're overpriced, and just scream and complain if anyone tries to reduce that price...so yeah, i see your point, profit margins through screwing their customers, which might explain why they have so few customers in the first place (or the more logical assumption that it's just a bad idea in general to get a mac, and on that note, i love how a thread asking about mac turned into a flame war because someone wants to feel speshul for having an Apple)
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It seems like you've never owned a Mac. Thus, you don't get it. I can't explain it, but there IS a difference, and it pervades everything about the computer, from its packaging down to its core frameworks. I can't truly say they are faster or more efficient or cheaper or less buggy or anything else. But dammit, Apples are cooler, and there's no way to know that until you've had the FedEx guy knock on your door with a big box you have to sign for.
Honestly, Apple ownership is the closest thing I get on a daily basis to spirituality, and you cannot put a price tag on that.
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