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Few questions about OS X...
piratePenguin:
The switch to Intel killed the possibility of running Mac OS X on a custom-built computer.
I can run Ubuntu on a custom-built computer. I can run Windows on a custom-built computers.
And if owning a Mac brings you closer to spirituality than using a computer you built, then, wow.
And Macs are cool, but I haven't seen many different laptops or case designs from different companies, and I doubt Macs are undoubtedly the coolest things out there.
"cool" is relative too, btw.
WMD:
--- Quote from: obob ---i highly doubt that given that the majority of hardware development is fueled by Microsoft
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Hardware development is pushed by games and, to a lesser extent, the Internet (server performance).
--- Quote from: obob ---(gaming hardware, think Direct3D, which your beloved doesn't seem to support)
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Direct3D is proprietary and can't be supported by anyone else but Microsoft. Also, OpenGL (excuse me, Glide) predates D3D, and supports all platforms - which is the reason DirectX exists to begin with.
--- Quote from: obob ---laptop design is pushed by a desire to have faster, more capble laptops, not to compete with Apple,
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Considering that Apple was the first to have a lot of now-typical laptop things (keyboard towards the screen, trackpad, stereo sound, proper power management), I think you need to read up on laptop history.
--- Quote from: obob ---Apple doesn't drive anything, Apple competes in mp3 player sales by making itself the "popular fad" for teenagers everywhere,
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The iPod may be popular, but that doesn't change the fact that it had/has the best interface of any player, and the best integration between it and the computer. The music store is ok too, but I don't like DRM.
--- Quote from: obob ---and in hardware, it buys more or less the same hardware used in PC's
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That wasn't always the case. They started moving that way to make their computers less expensive and more open to develop for (need not make NuBus cards any more, etc). True, the hardware is mostly the same now, but IBM wasn't too keen on helping out like they needed. It was either switch or wait an ungodly amount of time.
--- Quote from: obob ---So, in short, you're saying that Apple is the reason the computer industry doesn't suck, I'm saying that Apple makes a very very very very small mark, it doesn't push IHV's to release more capable graphics hardware, it doesn't push IHV's to release more efficient hardware with higher performance standards, it doesn't push IHV's to invent new technologies to better utilize it,
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They don't need to do all that. No single company does. They make better out of all the stuff that otherwise exists. By the way, WTF is "IHV"?
--- Quote from: obob ---it actually complains when IHV's build anything related to it
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As in....?
--- Quote from: obob ---HPC's, which are primarily built my HP, IBM, Cray, SGI, Sun, etc, Apple can't compete, these companies push the realm of hardware (and software) to the limit just to squeeze more power out of their systems
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Apple sells servers. They aren't a huge name in that market, but they do quite well for themselves.
--- Quote from: obob ---then lets move to laptops, Apple currently makes one of the most overpriced laptops on the market, oh wow, it runs OS X, so amazing *yawn* while you can buy the same Core Duo laptop from Sony, Lenovo, HP, etc, for considerably less,
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I keep hearing it, but I never see it. And no, they aren't "the same." A MacBook Pro is not a ThinkPad is not a Vaio is not a Pavillion is not an Inspiron.
--- Quote from: obob ---have more customizable options (and ZOMG I know that having a silver or blue or green laptop is such crap compared to Apple's AMAZINGLY UNIQUE ability to make AN ALL WHITE computer)
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The MBP is aluminum colored :p hehehe
--- Quote from: obob ---you wanna argue style, lets talk style, Apple has zero customizability, yeah you can "hack your mac" oh wow, that's so amazing, it's the same case and the same layout but it got painted an ew color (AMAZING)
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What are you talking about?
--- Quote from: obob ---seriously, they got nothing, they're overpriced, and just scream and complain if anyone tries to reduce that price...so yeah, i see your point, profit margins through screwing their customers,
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Only if you are a foolish customer. You don't have to pay full price for Apple hardware, just like with anyone else. Investigate!
--- Quote from: obob ---and on that note, i love how a thread asking about mac turned into a flame war because someone wants to feel speshul for having an Apple)
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Nobody said anything stupid or flame-worthy until this part:
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Alright, Apple moving to x86 is a reality, and it sounds like you're honestly saying that you want Apple to stay super proprietary and super closed in on itself (which it still is, for the most part) just so that it's an "elite membership" to have an Apple.
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Oh, look, it's you!
--- Quote from: bedouin ---It seems like you've never owned a Mac. Thus, you don't get it. I can't explain it, but there IS a difference, and it pervades everything about the computer, from its packaging down to its core frameworks. I can't truly say they are faster or more efficient or cheaper or less buggy or anything else. But dammit, Apples are cooler, and there's no way to know that until you've had the FedEx guy knock on your door with a big box you have to sign for.
Honestly, Apple ownership is the closest thing I get on a daily basis to spirituality, and you cannot put a price tag on that.
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As crazy as all that sounds, I can kind of agree with you. I can't explain it either.
xyle_one:
--- Quote from: worker201 ---...Honestly, Apple ownership is the closest thing I get on a daily basis to spirituality, and you cannot put a price tag on that.
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Hahaha. I hate that I agree with this and understand.
piratePenguin:
Of course Apple make the best laptops in the universe!
They're getting kinda cheap.
bedouin:
--- Quote from: obob ---i highly doubt that given that the majority of hardware development is fueled by Microsoft (gaming hardware, think Direct3D, which your beloved doesn't seem to support) which pushes cooling technology forward, which pushes case design forward
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Right, which is why Microsoft was the first one to adopt USB, Firewire, make DVI (though in the form of an ADC adapter) standard on all machines, make wireless cards standard on laptops (back in 98 or 99 with the clamshell iBooks), kill off legacy interfaces and mediums (parallel and serial ports, floppies). Not to mention other little things, like machines that can instantly wake from sleep and get more than 2 hours of battery life (I'm back in 98 still, mind you). Who was the first company promoting the idea of home DVD creation, back in 2000 when PCs were still lucky to ship with a CD-RW? Who was shipping their machines with widescreen LCDs five years ago, back when you were upgrading from a 15" CRT?
Apple doesn't invent the latest and greatest technology, but they sure as hell as the first to use it when it becomes available. There's other examples, but we don't have 20 pages. You're right though, MS does fuel hardware sales; you need at least 3ghz+ to draw the latest security update pop-ups and wireless connection wizards (meanwhile OS X just joins a network for you, or present you with a nice pull-down menu), in a dazzling fade-in fashion. That was worth the upgrade alone, wasn't it?
--- Quote ---Apple doesn't drive anything, Apple competes in mp3 player sales by making itself the "popular fad" for teenagers everywhere
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Apple and Sony are perhaps the only two manufactures advocating the idea that a machine can perform well and look good at the same time; they pay intricate detail to design in ways no one else does, which is exemplified by things like the latchless MacBooks, magsafe adapters, backlit keyboards, and a slew of other small features -- which PC laptops will steal within a few months. I guess your memory is short as well, because the first 17" laptop was made by Apple.
--- Quote ---So, in short, you're saying that Apple is the reason the computer industry doesn't suck, I'm saying that Apple makes a very very very very small mark,
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No, I'm saying Apple is willing to take risks and bless its customers with the latest and greatest innovative ideas while your jaw still drops over the 10lbs Dell laptop for $499. That's your forte; stick with it.
Don't be fooled; I'm a Mac user for OS X -- the pretty products are just an added bonus. And yes, in my opinion OS X is the only OS out right now that doesn't suck in performing in a non-interferring manor and bringing new features to the table that I actually care about.
--- Quote ---then lets move to laptops, Apple currently makes one of the most overpriced laptops on the market, oh wow, it runs OS X, so amazing *yawn* while you can buy the same Core Duo laptop from Sony, Lenovo, HP, etc, for considerably less, have more customizable options (and ZOMG I know that having a silver or blue or green laptop is such crap compared to Apple's AMAZINGLY UNIQUE ability to make AN ALL WHITE computer)
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So we've established A) either you hate OS X or have never used it -- thus OS X is not important enough to legitimize the purchase of a Mac and that B) Well thought out design means very little to you and you're happy with a large, clunky HP laptop. Also, feel free to price a machine comparative to Apple's current offerings -- not only in technical specifications, but in weight, battery life, features, and packed in software (iLife, to name one). I doubt you will find a large difference, and this has been proven so many times in the past.
--- Quote ---you wanna argue style, lets talk style, Apple has zero customizability, yeah you can "hack your mac" oh wow, that's so amazing, it's the same case and the same layout but it got painted an ew color (AMAZING)
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The only stock part in my PowerMac is the case and motherboard. Throughout the years I've upgraded the video card, added a DVD writer, added a TV card, upgraded the CPU, added SATA, and a number of other traditional upgrades. The machine was purchased in 2002 and thanks to its flexibility still performs comparable to some of the last PowerPC units Apple shipped (better in some cases).
My MacBook's hard drive can be very easily swapped by removing a couple screws (the 7200 RPM upgrade seems tempting) and I've already maxed it out at 2gb of RAM. I've taken apart my friend's Mini twice; you know the CPUs in those things are socketed right? The only non-upgrable part in that budget machine is the graphics chip.
--- Quote ---i see your point, profit margins through screwing their customers, which might explain why they have so few customers in the first place
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Yeah, I feel so screwed -- getting a kick-ass OS that never gives me any problems and cool hardware. The majority of the people shop at Wal-Mart and eat at McDonalds, I suppose that's the lifestyle I should be aiming for in your opinion right? Then I can kick back, watch meaningless sitcoms and FOX news while I scratch my balls and jack off to porn on my $399 Dell Inspirion.
Oh and in case you missed it, Apple's Macintosh market share soars 16 percent.
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