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Ubuntu users, Xorg upgrade, don't take it
« on: 23 August 2006, 11:49 »
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=241254

In short, it will break your display if you install the bad update. This is going to hurt the distro.


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Re: Ubuntu users, Xorg upgrade, don't take it
« Reply #1 on: 23 August 2006, 12:35 »
That guy Pinny Parlour over at those forums sounds like an asshole.  Like he's going to give up Ubuntu as soon as he gets his browser working again.  Christ, man, it's a bad update.  When there's 6 every week, then you start looking at alternatives.  A real man would ride it out, and perhaps even view it as a challenge.  I guess you don't know how to accomplish anything from the commandline, do you, stud?

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Re: Ubuntu users, Xorg upgrade, don't take it
« Reply #2 on: 23 August 2006, 18:20 »
You said stud...TEXAN!

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argh.. To late. I saw this updated and absolutely dreaded and hesitated installing it. Xserver-xorg failed on reboot, suprise suprise. Stuff like this makes the ubuntu experience a painful one.
Yes, I am pissed off.

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It doesn't work. Can't change because of some customised configuration file blah blah.
Tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg tried vesa, vga, nvidia and nv all die when I get to 24 bits blah blah blah

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Why has this broken update been allowed to go live? How ridiculous.

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I need to know the exact error otherwise I'm afraid I can't help you

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Thank you tseliot.
I'm just that pissed off because of phucking xserver xorg. It is the devil I swear to goodness. It is a bucket of shit. This should NOT be happening and it IS.
Oh why oh why did I click 'update' it this morning????

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1. Failed to start xserver .....
2. Couldn't open RGB-RD /usr/share/X11/rgb then a heap of other gibber.
3. Would you like to view the detailed xserver output as well?
4. more gibber
5. The Xserver is now disabled. Restart GDM when it is properly configured.
6. Then it goes to CLI login
7. User of this ubuntu PC REALLY PISSED OFF

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Please, restrain yourself from using swear words in this forum.
BTW without the Xserver we would be stuck to the command line


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Re: Ubuntu users, Xorg upgrade, don't take it
« Reply #3 on: 23 August 2006, 20:14 »
nothing wrong with using the command line! still, imagine the grief if windows released a patch that broke their GUI, what would you all be saying then, eh? ;-)
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Re: Ubuntu users, Xorg upgrade, don't take it
« Reply #4 on: 23 August 2006, 21:20 »
Just use lynx ... that's what I do when X-server fails (which so far it has once due to SELinux problems)

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Re: Ubuntu users, Xorg upgrade, don't take it
« Reply #5 on: 23 August 2006, 21:34 »
I never got the update for 10.3, it went straight to .4..interesting...
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Re: Ubuntu users, Xorg upgrade, don't take it
« Reply #6 on: 24 August 2006, 02:35 »
Thank the penguins, this is already fixed overnight. It went on for about a day and a half. I'm sure a lot of people have been left with an unusable system though, and don't know how to fix it. But the gloaters have already begun, as you can see. Oh well, there will hopefully be more care by the developers in the future because of this.


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Re: Ubuntu users, Xorg upgrade, don't take it
« Reply #7 on: 24 August 2006, 11:13 »
I don't ever remember seeing an xorg update until this morning...starnge indeed!
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Re: Ubuntu users, Xorg upgrade, don't take it
« Reply #8 on: 24 August 2006, 16:01 »
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That guy Pinny Parlour over at those forums sounds like an asshole.  Like he's going to give up Ubuntu as soon as he gets his browser working again.  Christ, man, it's a bad update.  When there's 6 every week, then you start looking at alternatives.  A real man would ride it out, and perhaps even view it as a challenge.  I guess you don't know how to accomplish anything from the commandline, do you, stud?
He's an asshole for comments like this:
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I hate xserver xorg, it's a piece of utter crap.
But that is a BAD update! I know I click the update button as soon as it's available on the notification area, and I bet and I HOPE others do that too. I got the 10.3 update, but I didn't restart X until after the 10.4 update came out (I thought it was odd having two updates so fast).

For the human beings, that update is almost as bad as a MS update that'd break the Windows GUI, if you think about it (it's a much smaller scale (thankfully?), but the same end-user experience). Fixing it in less than a day wasn't so bad though, and neither was the community response (see the original post of http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=242252).

We have launched an investigation and formal quality process review to understand exactly how this happened and what corrective actions to take. We will provide further information from this review when it is available.
I think a 'dapper-testing' repository (not 'edgy') could work well, might propose it somewhere if I find where it'd fit in (which I can't), if I still feel the need.

I been so pissed off with Ubuntu recently anyhow, and w00t my Fedora Core 5 CD3 is burned, time to install that. I think (but really, it's just so I don't wrongly accuse it) I can put the recent technical fuck-ups down to my drive which isn't in a nice state (gonna have to get used to piling on the backups), but I posted this to #ubuntu on freenode not long ago:
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oh man.. reading stuff like http://www.ubuntu.com/news/opera9 "Opera is a perfect match for Ubuntu" is nearly making me sick.. According to http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/philosophy one of the philosophical ideals of Ubuntu is that (and this is /the main/ reason I installed dapper in the first place) "Every computer user should have the freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, share, change and improve their software for any purpose, without paying licensing fees". Making it easy to install Opera is one thing, but this.. especially when we already have Firefox.. christ.


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Re: Ubuntu users, Xorg upgrade, don't take it
« Reply #9 on: 24 August 2006, 16:36 »
If you are successfull, you will only owe me a nominal $1,000,000 a year for being your buddy before, during and after you made it to fame and fortune. :D
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Re: Ubuntu users, Xorg upgrade, don't take it
« Reply #10 on: 24 August 2006, 18:16 »
i've seen xorg updates, in fact when the red hat apt repos started using Xorg my system ended up pretty hosed.

by the way just having X not work is not "unuseable" as somebody said above, and surely a quick apt-get upgrade will fix it, after the fact, which anybody using a system with apt installed on it should know how to do.
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Re: Ubuntu users, Xorg upgrade, don't take it
« Reply #11 on: 24 August 2006, 22:05 »
Well I really don't get why anyone would take the effort to go to a forum to insult a distro they are already using because they received a bad update. If they are posting the message they obviously know what the problem is and have a means to fix. But I do know this will probably scare off some newbies without commitment. Boo! it's console commands. Maybe that's for the best? Well I know some people would love if linux didn't try to become idiot proof.


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Re: Ubuntu users, Xorg upgrade, don't take it
« Reply #12 on: 24 August 2006, 22:25 »
A bad update is when you gotta fuck with the config files.
This is among the worst updates I can imagine, for a distro like Ubuntu especially.
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Re: Ubuntu users, Xorg upgrade, don't take it
« Reply #13 on: 24 August 2006, 23:15 »
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nothing wrong with using the command line! still, imagine the grief if windows released a patch that broke their GUI, what would you all be saying then, eh? ;-)

 Considering that it'd effectively kill off all but the most intelligent Windows users, I'd be praising the saints and any deity I could think of (holy binity included).  If they can't use the commandline, they'd be forced to use Mac - and those are far too expensive for the truly incompetent to warrant purchase orders.  ;)

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Re: Ubuntu users, Xorg upgrade, don't take it
« Reply #14 on: 30 September 2006, 04:23 »
I had a similar issue on a new Debian install. Dist-upgraded to Etch, then installed the latest version of XOrg, which failed to start due to some bad fonts.