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Longhorn 3718: Anti-iCandy and resource hogs
Kasracer:
quote:Originally posted by xeen:
The problem however, is that it is now become TOO childlike with way too much eye candy so that the even the biggest retard can use Windows.
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Heh, I agree with this. There are a lot of things power users could really tweak but Microsoft won't let you (the scope of which I'm talking about goes beyond 3rd party utilities and TweakUI, like the kernel). I remember an interview on a popular tech site (don't remember which one) where someone asked Microsoft if they would ever let power users really tweak a lot of settings in the underlying parts of the OS. Microsoft just basically said "no, we want a more user friendly environment". Bastards
quote:Originally posted by xeen:
Maybe you do and maybe you don't. But for the things you've been saying before you haven't presented any proof. Anyone can just as easily make a claim and then say it's true, but without support you're lacking credibility.
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Let me make a confession. I am a very lazy person and my true goal was mostly to troll here (since it's an anti-MS website, there is no way in hell I was going to sway anyone's opinion even if it is made up of only ignorant things) so I didn't really feel the need to post any proof. Everything I've said thus far, however; is all locatable on the MSDN (except for the TCP/IP benchmarks) so if anyone here actually wants to learn a little more about Microsoft, they can. If they don't want to, then they don't. I'm not going to shove it down their throats.
quote:Originally posted by xeen:
I stopped using Microsoft Office COMPLETELY a little over a year ago and have been using OpenOffice ever since. I use it for everything - personal essays, term papers, research papers, lab reports, etc.. My computer will never again see a Microsoft Office CD in it. I couldn't be happier with OpenOffice. Give it a try.
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I tried OpenOffice. It doesn't have as many features and a lot of different scripts and such I use for numbering my papers, putting names on them, ect don't work with it. Instead, it spits out wierd characters in their place. I used to use Office XP and, honestly; it really fucking sucked. Especially OutlookXP. But after using Office 2003 a few times, I can definately say they improved it. The UI doesn't look very pleasant as default but that can be turned off. Other than that, I haven't noticed any problems with 2003 as I did with XP.
quote:Originally posted by xeen:
Well at least we agree on something else! Now I see why you were banned on at least 2 other forums :D
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Doing a little research are we? heh!
Depends on which two forums you are refering too. I haven't been banned yet from a forum for trolling because I never do it.
solarismka:
quote:quote riginally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Rally, well I'm a lot perturbed at your own ignorance and stupidity that you have posted so far!
You can't call me ignorant and stupid in a sentence which defies all grammar rules.
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Yes, I can! The fact that you mention grammer. Grammer trolls don't get any points.
quote:I know there is a lot of problems with MS. I don't like a lot of different things they do, but the things that are argued about here never seem to be genuine complains but, instead; complaints just to complain. For instance, I like the C# language (not better than I like C++ though), however; since it was created internally at Microsoft, they made sure it was tied into their propritary framework. I know C# and the CRL are both standardized but no one has made actual standard compilers for C# (and no, mono does not count. It ported the propritary framework. That isn't a standardized compiler).
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Hmmm, The majority of complaints I see are legit. I.E the major virii that crops up. Pluse proprietory tie ins.
quote:I don't see how anyone finds Windows hard to use. My grandparents bought an e-machine that came with WindowsXP. They figured out how to do everything they needed to do within minutes from setting up their ISP to installing Office and using it.
If my grandparents can do it easily, there is no way in hell no one else can't.
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The above can also go with Linux and OSX just to name a few. My parents are techno-illiterate. But guess what. They can install any software they want and use any app they want in linux without the "EXEPTION IN DLL32" errors poping up. Worrying about AV's or scan checking every second day.
quote:Where did I say I was upset? Perturbed != Upset
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Yes. It means that you are annoyed. Well quit your bitchin.
quote:I don't waste my money with MS stuff. I get it heavily discounted from either Microsoft employees or from my Work. I also have gotten stuff from Microsoft's Beta testing program and Retail training program. I spent a total of $50 for Windows XP Pro and Office 2003 Professional. $50 is nothing and for the record, I wasn't whinning, I was trolling but unlike most trolls, I actually say things that are true.
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Welp. Alot of people arn't as lucky as you to get things discounted with M$. You have to fork over a lot of money or piret the shit out of it and in the end its still gonna be a shitty product which ever way you go.
At least you admit being a troll, I guess thats pluse one for you. Your now at -1. But the fact is your still whinning.
[ May 08, 2004: Message edited by: -=Solaris.M.K.A=- ]
[ May 08, 2004: Message edited by: -=Solaris.M.K.A=- ]
Xeen:
quote:But after using Office 2003 a few times, I can definately say they improved it.
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They sure did...they spent so much time and money DRM-ing Office 2003...and it got hacked within 2 weeks of the release (not that I'm complaining)
quote:since it was created internally at Microsoft, they made sure it was tied into their propritary framework.....I know C# and the CRL are both standardized but no one has made actual standard compilers for C#
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I think you're missing the entire point of a proprietary programming language. The whole point of it is that nobody but MS can make a compiler for it, since only they know the inner-workings of the language. And NO, C# is NOT a standard. A standard is something that is accepted by a significant number of professional organizations worldwide and is adopted for thousands of devices/techonologies (like MP3, MPEG, ISO, C/C++, Java, IDE, PCI, USB, etc..) That has NOT happened with C#, I hope it never does, and I doubt it will. Maybe I'm missing something here... :confused:
quote:Let me make a confession. I am a very lazy person and my true goal was mostly to troll here
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Eh...well I forgive you. You kinda ticked me off but now you seem like you're capable of participating in good discussions, and we're always looking for decent members. Just don't troll anymore.
Kasracer:
quote:Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Yes, I can! The fact that you mention grammer. Grammer trolls don't get any points.
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Your english teacher is stabbing him or herself in the head repeadily right now. Grammar.
quote:Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Hmmm, The majority of complaints I see are legit. I.E the major virii that crops up. Pluse proprietory tie ins.
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Mac OS X and Linux are both very prone to viruses. While Windows does usually get more viruses than other OSes, when other OSes get them, it's usually quite bad. There was a recent OS X virus that was going around that really crippled a lot of systems and there is almost no virus scanning software for OS X so a lot of Mac users were uberly fucked.
Elaborate on what you mean by "proprietory tie ins".
quote:Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
The above can also go with Linux and OSX just to name a few. My parents are techno-illiterate. But guess what. They can install any software they want and use any app they want in linux without the "EXEPTION IN DLL32" errors poping up. Worrying about AV's or scan checking every second day.
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With my entire "career" of using Windows, I have NEVER seen an "EXEPTION IN DLL32". I've seen exceptions thrown by poorly made software, but other than that... nothing. You can't blame MS for shitty 3rd party software.
quote:Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Welp. Alot of people arn't as lucky as you to get things discounted with M$. You have to fork over a lot of money or piret the shit out of it and in the end its still gonna be a shitty product which ever way you go.
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It's MS, not M$ (saying M$, in my mind, just makes a person look retarded). Secondly, there are ways for a lot of average users to get discounted Microsoft software. OEM software from places like NewEgg.com, join the betaplace.com, go work for a retailer who sells Microsoft software, if you go to school you can usually get any MS product for free, and you could even lie and just sign up with a retailer at the retail.microsoft site to get stuff basically for free (they never call the retailer, though some swear they do).
quote:Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
At least you admit being a troll, I guess thats pluse one for you. Your now at -1. But the fact is your still whinning.
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You're whinning about me whinning so I fail to see the relavence in your arguement towards me.
quote:Originally posted by xeen:
They sure did...they spent so much time and money DRM-ing Office 2003...and it got hacked within 2 weeks of the release (not that I'm complaining)
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I, personally, think all DRM and anti-copy "technologies" are made just to keep shareholders happy and to annoy legit users. There has yet to be any software that hasn't been cracked within the first month from its release. However, no more DRM than what was in Office XP went into office 2003. It's pretty much the same with activation over the net.
quote:Originally posted by xeen:
I think you're missing the entire point of a proprietary programming language. The whole point of it is that nobody but MS can make a compiler for it, since only they know the inner-workings of the language. And NO, C# is NOT a standard. A standard is something that is accepted by a significant number of professional organizations worldwide and is adopted for thousands of devices/techonologies (like MP3, MPEG, ISO, C/C++, Java, IDE, PCI, USB, etc..) That has NOT happened with C#, I hope it never does, and I doubt it will. Maybe I'm missing something here...
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The specifications can be downloaded for free from the MSDN. They fully describe everything within the C# language in 1.2 and 2.0. C# IS[/i] standardized along with the CLR, however; no standardized compilers have been made yet (mono can compile C# but it compiles it with the mono framework so it's still a form of propritary BS). Also, Java is not a standardized language. Sun refuses to make it a standard language.
quote:Originally posted by xeen:
Eh...well I forgive you. You kinda ticked me off but now you seem like you're capable of participating in good discussions, and we're always looking for decent members. Just don't troll anymore.
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Ha!
[ May 09, 2004: Message edited by: Kasracer ]
Stilly:
quote:Originally posted by Kasracer:
"logically build"? Well, for one, your grammar sucks.
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hey fuck off, refalm is from the netherlands
[ May 09, 2004: Message edited by: The Stiller ]
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