W2000 VS XP

[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by Zombie9920:
McCafee isn't exactly the best AV software to initially use. That reminds me of theMcAfee anti-virus software fails to block Klez virus warning that was out not very long ago. If McCafee can't block the Klez virus very well what makes you think it will protect against other viruses effectivley. If you had've been using Norton AV 2002 or 2003 initially I bet you wouldn't have ever go the viruses to begin with. I am satisfied with Norton cause my system has never been infected once by any viruses or E-Mail worms since I started using Norton.

This is just plain funny. If Microsoft operating systems were worth a shit, there would be no need for AV vendors. And if Microsoft is so good, why the hell don't they have their own AV software, after all they wrote the OS, they should know the most about the subject. Oh yeah, it's not their problem.

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by Orc Peon:


First of all, because Windows is closed source it could be full of spyware and backdoors, since you can't just look at the source code to prove otherwise.  However, I'm the one making the claim that Windows has spyware, so I won't ask you to "disprove" it.  That'd be like me saying to you "prove God doesn't exist, otherwise he exists!"

Here's an interesting article for you to read that might raise a few questions:

http://theregister.co.uk/content/archive/24815.html

Just what is the definition of "spyware," anyway?  Before we can decide if Windows XP is indeed spyware, we have to define spyware.  I'd say spyware is any software that reports what you do on your computer or can view files or upload things to your computer without your consent.  Under that definition XP is certainly spyware, it even says so in the MS EULA.  On page 6, you "acknowledge and agree that Microsoft may automatically check the version of the Product and / or It's components that you are utilizing and may provide upgrades or fixes to the product that will be automatically downloaded to your Workstation Computer."  That is spyware in my book, especially since it is capable of doing it without your consent.  Under that clause Microsoft could secretly apply a patch to everyone's copy of WMP that incorporates more digital rights management, or any number of other possibilities.

From the article- MS doesn't collect information about local searches. "No information is ever collected by Search Companion when you search your local system, LAN, or intranet for any reason."

I certainly didn't pick up anything to contradict that. But there is some obvious collecting when SA is used to search the Internet.

Boodaya, search assistant isn't spying on you. It is simply updating some files. Big whoopidity doo. Oh-No, MS is going to use my IP that connected to there server against me. Maybe MES forums spy on us because it logs IP's when people connect to it and posts. What a bunch of fucking retards some of you are.

It is a fact that when a machine connects to a host machine the host will log the IP of the machine connecting to it.  :rolleyes:

I said I want some *proof* of *spyware*. LoL

[rtgwbmsr]

quote:Originally posted by Zombie9920:


They are trying to prove that if everyone had a real life and didn't have the time to sit on thier asses all day cyberspace would be a much better place. Really, why don't people who write viruses go find something constructive to do with thier time? Fuck this place, I have stuff to go do tonight. I'll fight with you all later. ;P

How many times are you going to claim you have a life? You have been sitting on the boards for 2 hours fighting with us over futile shit. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, FUCKING LEAVE, AND DON'T COME BACK TROLL!    :mad:  

/Really PO'ed and sick of listening to Zombie's relentless bitching

[ October 01, 2002: Message edited by: The_Muffin_Man/B0b ]

[ October 01, 2002: Message edited by: The_Muffin_Man/B0b ]

[orcpeon]

Norton??!?!?!?!  That shoddy shitware is worse than a virus!!  Deleted half my documents, SystemWorks did!

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by Orc Peon:
Norton??!?!?!?!  That shoddy shitware is worse than a virus!!  Deleted half my documents, SystemWorks did!

Systemworks is dangerous if you misuse it(I've fucked shit up in Windows 98 with systemworks). I only use thier AV software and the personal firewall(which is a very good firewall especially combined with a few other firewalls).

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by The_Muffin_Man/B0b:


How many times are you going to claim you have a life? You have been sitting on the boards for 2 hours fighting with us over futile shit. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, FUCKING LEAVE, AND DON'T COME BACK TROLL!      :mad:    

/Really PO'ed and sick of listening to Zombie's relentless bitching

[ October 01, 2002: Message edited by: The_Muffin_Man/B0b ]

[ October 01, 2002: Message edited by: The_Muffin_Man/B0b ]

Ok, I'm outta here for real this time. I will be back sometime though(lucky you). ;P

I'm not a troll, I just don't don't go by what rumors that unprofessional computer users have to say about software that they dislike(just because the software is made by a monopoly). I need good proof before  believe rumors. Have a good night gents.

P.S. It sounds like you are the one bitching and moaning in that message. I'm just sitting here having a nice lil argument. I'm not whining about anything. Personally I don't care what OS you people use. I do find it rather unusual that 90% of the Linux community are the no-life type people who sit on a comp all day. Most of you are probably living in your parents' basement. LoL

[ October 02, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by void main:


This is just plain funny. If Microsoft operating systems were worth a shit, there would be no need for AV vendors. And if Microsoft is so good, why the hell don't they have their own AV software, after all they wrote the OS, they should know the most about the subject. Oh yeah, it's not their problem.

One more comment to make. ;P

If MS made AV software and built it into the OS people would cry that MS is trying to drive AV vendors out of business(an anti-trust case waiting to happen). MS is damned if they don't and MS is damned if they do. It is like a catch 22.  :rolleyes:

[orcpeon]

quote: Maybe MES forums spy on us because it logs IP's when people connect to it and posts. What a bunch of fucking retards some of you are.  

You're right, some web pages do spy on you, in a way, using cookies and referrer logging.  I don't, however, think that the help agent in Windows needs to upload stuff like that, for any reason, without first asking.

[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by Zombie9920:
Systemworks is dangerous if you misuse it(I've fucked shit up in Windows 98 with systemworks). I only use thier AV software and the personal firewall(which is a very good firewall especially combined with a few other firewalls).

So let me get this straight. I pay $300 for a nice shiney XP CD. Then I go install the thing which of course requires me to make a Call to Microsoft so they can make sure I didn't steal it. Then I have to buy a couple of copies of AV software. How much is that going to cost me?  Then I have to find some good firewall software? Oh, then if I want to create some documents or spread sheets I gotta spend how much more for Office XP?  And then if I want to learn a little programming I have to spend how much more for Visual Crappio.NET?  Then if I want to do some database work I need to spend how much more on SQL Server?

Seems like a pretty incomplete package to me, not to mention a scam.

[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by Zombie9920:
If MS made AV software and built it into the OS people would cry that MS is trying to drive AV vendors out of business(an anti-trust case waiting to happen). MS is damned if they don't and MS is damned if they do. It is like a catch 22.   :rolleyes:  

No, they were damned from the start because there never should have been a *need* for AV vendors.

[rtgwbmsr]

quote:Originally posted by Zombie9920:
Ok, I'm outta here for real this time. I will be back sometime though(lucky you). ;P

I'm not a troll, I just don't don't go by what rumors that unprofessional computer users have to say about software that they dislike(just because the software is made by a monopoly). I need good proof before  believe rumors. Have a good night gents.

P.S. It sounds like you are the one bitching and moaning in that message. I'm just sitting here having a nice lil argument. I'm not whining about anything. Personally I don't care what OS you people use. I do find it rather unusual that 90% of the Linux community are the no-life type people who sit on a comp all day. Most of you are probably living in your parents' basement. LoL

[ October 02, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]

I'm not bitching, you are. Definiton of bitching:
   3. Slang. A complaint.
   4. Slang. Something very unpleasant or difficult.

YOU are being very unpleasant and difficult. I'm not complaining, I'm just telling you to fuck off, OK?

You need proof? You have plenty of proof, but you are interpreting it wrong. Wake up and look at it from more than one perspective. You need to see things from more than one side to understand it, and use it.
*I once thought Windows was good (like you)...I tried Linux, and hated it (like you), then I tried a Mac with an open mind, and loved it*

I'm not going to argue any further. Your OS is your choice, just go somewhere appropriate with it, like www.windowsbbs.com or start your own that isn't full of losers.

[psyjax]

ya, it's spyware:

http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/16455.html

And eaven if you say, "well it's only media player"

What are your thought's on compulsory product activation? TCPA, and the rest of the framework built up in the EULA?

I mean comeon, maybe it's not spyware, maybe it's more like REICHware.

I don't give a shit if they spy or not, but they are deffinetly after more controll over people's lives than they should be in contoll of.

[Fett101]

I always wonder as to what people think Bill is doing with any info he may be collecting. I doubt he plans on trying some worldwide coup. That's a bit silly. Use info to somehow obliterate all competition? There's seemingly little competition with windows on so damned many pc's, and the existince of mac and linux are helping MS' trust troubles. Selling to marketing guys? Who knows. But those guys get info from anyone/everyone anyway. Every CD, DVD, Game, Software, Hardware you buy is kept track of so they know what's popular and what's not. I'm sure you guys have plenty other thoughts on this.

[lazygamer]

Lol I can't believe I singlehandedly started a flamewar, causing Zombie to leave in disgust.

Well Void, I have never had a broken bone, I think it's because im l33t but I could be wrong.  

So because you're layed up for the next 2 months, I'd better try and discover all my Linux questions and then ask them, so you can answer them. If you the time, my "Lazy's Linux Adventures thread" has many "Linux X-files" that haven't been solved yet.  

What side to I take on the spyware? I take the MES side.

Hmmm any other W2000 VS XP comments?

[voidmain]

Nah, you didn't start the flame war. Zombie and I like to get into a good slingin' every couple of weeks. It's fun. I'll try and help you with any Linux questions you have.

As far as the Win questions I'll leave that to Zombie. I don't believe I've ever seen him actually try and help anyone who comes to this BBS with Win problems. He just likes getting in the slingin' contest. But we all love him here. If it weren't for him, this place would be pretty boring.

[ October 02, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]