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Orethrius:
--- Quote from: Kintaro ---FreeBSD will still actually boot on a lot of hardware Linux will not with broken ACPI.
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I have not TO DATE hit a system that doesn't load up. Care to start issuing particulars, or are we going to throw GRUB/LILO misconfigs in with the mix too?
--- Quote from: Kintaro ---Anyway, I don't know what you are on about after that because nobody shipped a wireless device without a windows driver, that got a certified PC. You go on about 98, ME, Vista, but fuck, they all had wireless drivers in their time? Just what the fuck are you on about. It had nothing to do with performance: NO DRIVER EXISTS TO TEST.
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Just how many of those Vista-certified systems could run Aero again? Oh, and I never mentioned 98 - quite possibly because it NEVER supported wireless (unless somebody came up with a third-party application to handle that). Anyway, you miss the central point, though I imagine that's your intent: NO DRIVER EXISTS YET != NO DRIVER EXISTS PERIOD. Intel has a good track record with that, and I choose to trust them.
--- Quote from: Kintaro ---This is a clear issue of a dodgy certification, given to a laptop that doesn't support suspend, wifi, and hardware 3D which are pretty fucking important on laptops. I can't believe you defend bullshit on this level.
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BSD DOESN'T SUPPORT SUSPEND. Stop acting like it does, they're still having trouble at the CPU level.
WIFI WORKS THROUGH NDISWRAPPER. No, it's NOT hard, people keep bitching because they don't want to have to deal with it. Talk to the hardware vendors.
HARDWARE 3D IS SUPPORTED THROUGH HARDWARE VENDOR REPOSITORIES. Again, not everyone has them, but ATi / nVidia / Intel most certainly do. You expect me to give half a shit if Anlalifgani Tek doesn't render correctly?
Hey, Kintaro, what's the difference between "Vista Ready" and "Vista Capable" again? How does Oxford define them? S)
Kintaro:
Well you just lost "The Year of the Linux Desktop" in this massive break from convention. Nobody wants to spend 10 hours getting ndiswrapper, and from someone it doesn't take ten hours for (me) it sure fucking crashes to point of being useless on half the drivers I try. Fuck ndiswrapper.
Orethrius:
Wait, WHAT?!?!? Oh yes, please goad me some more for a system that VISTA doesn't even properly support! If we're going for outright honesty here, it's evidently not "The Year of the Vista Desktop" either. I think we've all learned by now that you're an atypical user - I'd honestly be surprised if you bothered with lspci yet (yes, I know who I'm bashing, and I DON'T CARE anymore). I'm personally looking into TuxOnIce and its source because of things I've heard about it from both sides. If it's a legit package, that takes care of the suspend issues. Nice work dodging the 3D support through hardware vendor drivers, though! Next time you rag on ndiswrapper, you might dump your PCI bus and dmidecode for people who might be working on usable frontends.
Refalm:
--- Quote from: Orethrius on 24 August 2008, 01:48 ---that you're an atypical user
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Kintaro was just making a point here.
An operating system should be easy enough for my shallow teen cousin, as well and my grandmother.
This isn't the fault of Linux, but rather the hardware manufacturer and the lack of PR for Linux.
It's pretty funny. When Linux has crappy drivers for certain hardware, people tend to blame Linux, but no one blames Windows for your piece of hardware got supplied with crappy drivers.
worker201:
--- Quote from: Refalm on 24 August 2008, 07:09 ---Kintaro was just making a point here.
An operating system should be easy enough for my shallow teen cousin, as well and my grandmother.
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Disagree. Some operating systems should be easy enough for your cousin's grandmother. Not all of them have to be, though. As long as there are open document standards and open hardware standards, a multi-tiered system of abstraction layers or user-friendliness or support or a combination of all 3 is totally workable. In fact, an open market kinda requires there to be computers for tinkerers, computers for steady workflows, and computers for grandparents. It's the open document and hardware standards that are getting in the way of this ideal - not the ease of use.
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