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I love Bertrand Russel.
Kintaro:
Woah, where have you been?
Aloone_Jonez:
I know you're pro-capitalist but that doesn't make you completely anti-socialist.
I'm quite pro-capitalist but I think some socialism is required for general wealthfare and social mobility.
For example, I support the idea of a free market but I think it's good that most of the health and education system in this country are in the posession of the state. I would also like to see re-nationalisation of the rail network. Socialism might also be a good cure for our current housing problem (despite the recent price fall, homes are still expensive for most first time buyers in this country) whether it be the government building more cheap housing or encouraging cooperative housing schemes so people can build thier own cheap housing.
Kintaro:
You should have a look how socialism to help the housing situation has hurt America terribly, making housing terrible again.
http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/07/18/fannie-freddie-regulation-oped-cx_yb_0718brook.html
Nationalized health is terrible and I know this from personal experience. I have to pay immense money now for private treatment because if I do go back to the nuthouse for some reason, I'd like one with hot water.
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Aloone_Jonez:
--- Quote from: Kintaro ---There are also many studies that show "nationalized" health is extremely inefficient and ends up costing more. In the United Kingdom the NHS costs a taxpayer working the average amount of full time on minimum 2000 pounds+ a year. In America that is a fucking decent insurance policy. I can hear you already though "what about the unemployed?" Well I don't mind the idea too much of a private hospital system with a system that allows concession based subsidy for unemployed patients. This keeps the system competitive, keeps a huge tax burden off taxpayers for "health for all," and the unemployed still have health cover.
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I'm not saying our NHS is perfect or the most efficient heath care system.
Cuba is as socialist as they come and their health system is more efficient than the UK's or the US'.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/5232628.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_system#Cuba
--- Quote ---You should have a look how socialism to help the housing situation has hurt America terribly, making housing terrible again.
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I'm not saying the government should interefere with who the banks lend money to. The problem in the UK is that demand for housing outstrips supply and now the credit crunch has made things worse by making banks less willing to lend to people.
They should build more council houses to rent to people until they can afford to buy a house. Another option would be to promote cooprative house building schemes so groups of people can club together and build their own homes rather than having to pay companies who'll make huge profits.
Kintaro:
--- Quote ---I'm not saying our NHS is perfect or the most efficient heath care system.
Cuba is as socialist as they come and their health system is more efficient than the UK's or the US'.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/5232628.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_system#Cuba
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They also have labor camps. Efficiency != Freedom. For fuck sake.
--- Quote ---They should build more council houses to rent to people until they can afford to buy a house. Another option would be to promote cooprative house building schemes so groups of people can club together and build their own homes rather than having to pay companies who'll make huge profits.
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Where do you think the capital will come from to build them? This will just rack up debt anyway - might as well do a Freddie Mac which does basically the same thing.
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