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I'm moving back to Opera!
Aloone_Jonez:
--- Quote from: reactosguy on 11 January 2010, 22:33 ---Typical reply to Microsoftist evangelists.
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What me?
I was being sarcastic.
I don't like IE.
Firefox is much better but I don't think it's as good as many say and I'm tired of the zealotism.
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez on 12 January 2010, 01:48 ---
--- Quote from: reactosguy on 11 January 2010, 22:33 ---Typical reply to Microsoftist evangelists.
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What me?
I was being sarcastic.
I don't like IE.
Firefox is much better but I don't think it's as good as many say and I'm tired of the zealotism.
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Way to fight the zealotism.
Theres none of that going on here at all thanks to you ::)
--- Quote ---Why are you calling me immature?
I'm not the one who started name calling.
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I thought it was an immature response because I wasnt for a second suggesting that Firefox was the 2nd best browser because it has the 2nd highest market share, got it?
Also considering what you posted about standards, why are you considering acid 3 an iimportant standard when its supported by a few 10s of millions of users browsers perhaps, but open video is supported by firefox 3.5 which has hundreds of millions of users?
Just googled for some stats and in fact, Firefox 3.5 has more users than IE 7: it is the worlds most popular browser http://gigaom.com/2009/12/21/firefox-3-5-now-worlds-most-popular-browser/ EDIT: better mention this is clearly according to stat counter as of that date a few weeks ago
Now, numbers dont make firefox "better". But it means fixing rendering problems that shouldnt occur throughout the web are a serious priority, and additionally it means web developers should be more likely to make sure they arent doing something wrong to break firefox support, unless theyre trying to.
Aloone_Jonez:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin on 12 January 2010, 11:55 ---I thought it was an immature response because I wasnt for a second suggesting that Firefox was the 2nd best browser because it has the 2nd highest market share, got it?
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Well, you didn't make that very clear, I'm glad you've explained that.
--- Quote ---Also considering what you posted about standards, why are you considering acid 3 an iimportant standard when its supported by a few 10s of millions of users browsers perhaps, but open video is supported by firefox 3.5 which has hundreds of millions of users?
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I think the Acid3 test is important for improving standards across the Internet in general. Whether a browser passes the Acid3 isn't important to me personally, as I said before, I don't use Opera because it pawns Firefox at the Acid3 test, I use it because it's faster, gives me everything I need without a huge number of extensions.
--- Quote ---Just googled for some stats and in fact, Firefox 3.5 has more users than IE 7: it is the worlds most popular browser http://gigaom.com/2009/12/21/firefox-3-5-now-worlds-most-popular-browser/ EDIT: better mention this is clearly according to stat counter as of that date a few weeks ago
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No doubt IE 7 usage will continue to decline and IE 8 will eventually overtake Firefox, according to that counter.
Statistics vary depending on the counter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browser_market_share#Summary_Table
W3Counter says IE only has 50.3% market share, last month and TheCounter says it had 68.94% - a huge difference. The W3Counter also says IE 8 is just above Firefox and I'm not saying that it's right and the article you linked is wrong.
--- Quote ---Now, numbers dont make firefox "better". But it means fixing rendering problems that shouldnt occur throughout the web are a serious priority, and additionally it means web developers should be more likely to make sure they arent doing something wrong to break firefox support, unless theyre trying to.
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I agree.
Refalm:
I'm really curious how all the Chrome ads will effect browser statistics.
Will they really work?
Most old people don't know what a browser is. They just click on Start, then on Internet, so they can book flights and buy lots of stupid shit on eBay.
worker201:
--- Quote from: Refalm on 12 January 2010, 21:51 ---Most old people don't know what a browser is. They just click on Start, then on Internet, so they can book flights and buy lots of stupid shit on eBay.
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When my parents got a new computer, I deleted Outlook Express and IE while they were sleeping, and replaced them with Firefox and Thunderbird. It took 30 seconds and a sticky note to convince them that everything was normal, and they have been Moz users for over 5 years now.
A huge percentage of browser users are corporate/office people surfing at work. Large companies tend to have software policies in place, and most of them don't allow employees to install their own browsers. For whatever reason, this usually means IE is the only browser available, and that probably represents 40-50% of the market. So nobody besides IE is going to have more than 50% market penetration for quite some time.
As a matter of fact, I know an IT person at King County (Seattle/Bellevue/Redmond) who thinks Firefox is a toy that only people who hate Windows would want to play with. I suspect that's actually a common sentiment with enterprise IT people, whose goal is to have as few pieces of software in their systems as possible. They probably have no idea why Firefox is better, and don't want to - it's just another part of a system that could break at any time. Staying with IE is theoretically simpler, and therefore better. Us home users can switch browsers every hour or so without any adverse effects, and we can pick and choose components to customize our experience.
Metcalfe's Law states that the computing power of a network is equivalent to the square of the number of nodes on the network. Well, enterprise IT difficulties are more like the cube of the number of nodes in the office. These fuckers are basically lazy, and they want one OS, one browser, one mail client, and one word processor - all made by the same company, if possible. So guess who wins?
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