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I'm moving back to Opera!
worker201:
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez on 12 January 2010, 13:45 ---...I use [Opera] because it's faster, gives me everything I need without a huge number of extensions.
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Finally, the truth comes out. You like Opera because its subset of functions matches perfectly with your desired subset of functions. That's fine, best of luck. Now you just need to learn that desiring a different subset of functions does not make other users zealots or fanboys.
Refalm:
--- Quote from: worker201 on 12 January 2010, 22:39 ---Metcalfe's Law states that the computing power of a network is equivalent to the square of the number of nodes on the network. Well, enterprise IT difficulties are more like the cube of the number of nodes in the office. These fuckers are basically lazy, and they want one OS, one browser, one mail client, and one word processor - all made by the same company, if possible. So guess who wins?
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I can understand the logic, although the new batch of IT networking specialists are less ignorant, and battle whether Firefox, Opera or Chrome is better.
However, less applications means less pressure for the Servicedesk department, and eventually the whole IT department. That's why Internet Explorer should be removed, and Firefox installed instead. It's better, since upgrades to newer versions aren't forced down your throat like Microsoft has done with IE 6 --> IE 7 (which screwed up some specialised intranet applications).
Aloone_Jonez:
--- Quote from: worker201 on 12 January 2010, 22:39 ---A huge percentage of browser users are corporate/office people surfing at work. Large companies tend to have software policies in place, and most of them don't allow employees to install their own browsers. For whatever reason, this usually means IE is the only browser available, and that probably represents 40-50% of the market. So nobody besides IE is going to have more than 50% market penetration for quite some time.
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I agree with the policy of not allowing people to install what browser they like on their computers because one browser means lower support costs and has the added advantage of only requiring them to make their corporate Intranet comparable with one browser. The reason why many use IE is because it's what they've always done and it might be difficult to change because the Intranet site only works with IE. They used to block Firefox where I used to work, until I noticed them installing it on sme PCs because some other software depended on it, I don't know why maybe it needed the rendering engine? Even then Firfox wasn't the default browser and the company Intranet didn't work very well in Firefox.
I myself would choose a different browser such as Firefox or Safari for obvious reasons.
I installed Firefox and OpenOffice.org on my works computer. I only really needed OOo to work on college work but I thought I'd install Firefox to make the Internet easier to use. I knew I was risking a disciplinary but nothing bad happened even though someone from IT noticed.
--- Quote from: worker201 on 12 January 2010, 22:43 ---Finally, the truth comes out. You like Opera because its subset of functions matches perfectly with your desired subset of functions. That's fine, best of luck.
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You need to read more thoroughly: I said that along time ago.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez on 2 January 2010, 14:28 ---Hell it's personal preference for the most part, I can understand why people use Firefox
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--- Quote --- Now you just need to learn that desiring a different subset of functions does not make other users zealots or fanboys.
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No it doesn't but personally attacking or being aggressive towards someone because they've criticised their favourite browser (as I feel someone here has done, not mentioning any names) does make them a zealot/fanboy.
piratePenguin:
--- Quote ---No it doesn't but personally attacking or being aggressive towards someone because they've criticised their favourite browser (as I feel someone here has done, not mentioning any names) does make them a zealot/fanboy.
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Please tell us who is attacking because you criticized their favorite browser?
I think the browser world is changing and this decade internet explorer will be dethroned. If you look at the graphs firefox is getting bigger and bigger, but there are many more alternatives now too. I dont care if firefox/chrome/opera/IE have equalish shares of 80% market share in 2020 or firefox has 80% share by itself. But the only browser I would put in that top spot is Firefox to be sure due to its more open nature that is better inline with the philosophies of the web, and with fewer vested interests.
Mozilla was created to turn the open source Netscape code into something more useable and produce an open browser. Firefox was created to, basically, conquer the fucking world. The web was a piece of shit and the only way to make it better was with a good browser, but a good browser that WON THE FUCKIN BATTLES. It was all, as I recall, to do with marketing and it possibly turns out to be the biggest idea since keeping ownership of DOS.
All the while there has been Opera, a really great browser compared to IE but all it did is hang in ther with 1-2% market share (or whatever) tweaking their software as if that was the problem. Firefox changed the world meanwhile. How? Because, excuse the pun, Firefox CONNECTED. And its still making the most of its world-changing community.
Good for Google that theyre trying something different and getting Chromes name out there. Opera proved that sitting watching people download firefox, doesnt gain opera market share. lol
Aloone_Jonez:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin on 13 January 2010, 01:57 ---
--- Quote ---No it doesn't but personally attacking or being aggressive towards someone because they've criticised their favourite browser (as I feel someone here has done, not mentioning any names) does make them a zealot/fanboy.
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Please tell us who is attacking because you criticized their favorite browser?
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I don't want to fan the flames so I'll let it drop.
--- Quote ---I think the browser world is changing and this decade internet explorer will be dethroned. If you look at the graphs firefox is getting bigger and bigger, but there are many more alternatives now too. I dont care if firefox/chrome/opera/IE have equalish shares of 80% market share in 2020 or firefox has 80% share by itself. But the only browser I would put in that top spot is Firefox to be sure due to its more open nature that is better inline with the philosophies of the web, and with fewer vested interests.
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I'd rather have a couple of browsers with roughly equal market share.
--- Quote ---Mozilla was created to turn the open source Netscape code into something more useable and produce an open browser. Firefox was created to, basically, conquer the fucking world. The web was a piece of shit and the only way to make it better was with a good browser, but a good browser that WON THE FUCKIN BATTLES. It was all, as I recall, to do with marketing and it possibly turns out to be the biggest idea since keeping ownership of DOS.
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How can Firefox really be considered as FOSS?
The binaries which are allowed to bear the trademark are proprietary, only the versions complied from source are really free i.e Swiftfox.
--- Quote ---All the while there has been Opera, a really great browser compared to IE but all it did is hang in ther with 1-2% market share (or whatever) tweaking their software as if that was the problem. Firefox changed the world meanwhile. How? Because, excuse the pun, Firefox CONNECTED. And its still making the most of its world-changing community.
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That's right one of the main reasons for Firefox being successful is down to very clever marketing, as well as being better than IE. The license has also benefited Firefox because it's compatible with most Linux distributions.
Opera hasn't been anywhere near as good at marketing and their choice of licensing model hasn't done them any favours either. First of all Opera was payware, then they realised that people had stopped buying it - the idea of paying for a browser had gone out of fashion. Their solution was to make it adware, not the malicious type, all it did was display small adverts in a bar below the address bar. People found the adverts annoying so they decided to make it freeware. Note that this only applies to their PC browser: the phone version is still payware and the EULA of the free version prohibits installation on phones.
Opera could probably double their market share overnight, just my open sourcing it but they'll need to find another business model as they'll no longer be able to sell their software for use on phones.
--- Quote ---Good for Google that theyre trying something different and getting Chromes name out there.
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Have you tried Chromium?
It's the FOSS version Google Chrome which much better and it supports extensions like Firefox. The only criticism I had was of the Adblock but if you don't use it, it won't matter.
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