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Calum:

--- Quote from: Kintaro on  2 June 2010, 20:58 ---You are wrong Calum, I first devised the logical flaw in your argument and then I said you don't know what you are talking about and from that I derived that you are a twit. So you have made yet ANOTHER logical fallacy, of reversing casualty to support your argument. Anyway, there is clearly no point debating you with reason so, next time you visit Australia: I challenge you to a duel. To the death.

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Can't you just grow up instead?

here's some quite simple logic. DOS is an OS, Windows is a program which runs under this OS, just like any application program extends the functions of the OS it runs under, windows does this for DOS. Any further logical statements about who is wrong or who is a twit or a stupidhead need to realise that any persons disagreeing with these facts are at least wrong about these facts. Further to this, any arguments based on one person having an encyclopaedic knowledge of programming languages, filesystem design etc etc are simply an attempt by the person claiming superiority to strawman their perceived opponent into submission, since it requires very little actual computer knowledge to grasp the concepts involved in this debate.

That should be clear enough for even you to understand.  If not, i invite you to come to Scotland and have a custard pie fight to decide it once and for all.

Kintaro:
Eh, you just keep repeating the same argument. It's based entirely on observation from a simple abstraction of events, you launch windows from DOS. You can launch Linux from Dos, and Windows 9x (where disk drivers are added and DOS code isn't used at all). Eh, learn moar. Hell, I am running three different OS's under VMware... Are they suddenly Applications?

Calum:

--- Quote from: Kintaro on  3 June 2010, 16:50 ---Eh, you just keep repeating the same argument. It's based entirely on observation from a simple abstraction of events, you launch windows from DOS. You can launch Linux from Dos, and Windows 9x (where disk drivers are added and DOS code isn't used at all).
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straw man again, here's why. You can launch MS Windows from DOS, and that's because it's a program that runs under DOS. You can launch Linux from DOS, i presume you mean using LINLOAD.EXE, as this tech is contemporary with MS Windows? As you know the DOS surrenders the computer to the new OS.
--- Quote ---Eh, learn moar.
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and this is your standard claim to intellectual superiority, how convincing. 
--- Quote ---Hell, I am running three different OS's under VMware... Are they suddenly Applications?

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Nope, actually, VMWare is the application, running under whatever your real OS is (that is running on your real hardware, i mean). The OSs you're running under VMWare are still OSs, running on the virtual hardware presented by VMWare. Don't you know this? I thought you were supposed to have all this superior knowledge.

Kintaro:
Sigh. DOS surrenders everything to Windows 3.1s virtual machine, which from that point handles any application code. DOS is practically dormant at that point. I won't say it again. Stop going around in circles.

Aloone_Jonez:
The whole argument is bullshit anyway because no one has defined what an operating system is, for the purposes of this discussion.

This reminds e of another ridicules argument I had with someone about WINE being an emulator. Yes it is not a CPU emulator or virtual machine but if one looks up the definition of the word emulator it fits what WINE does: it allows an operating system (Linux) to emulate the functionality of anther (Windows).

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