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--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez on 13 June 2010, 22:10 ---I'm not knocking Journey as they probably didn't have the same technology when they released it: pitch correction was unheard of back then.
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I generally don't like anything that in my opinion degrades the quality of music, like
* pitch correction (sounds unnatural and without passion)
* wall of sound (ugly poppy echo effect that sounds better on FM radio than on a music album)
* vocoder (it was cool when Cher and Kanye West did it on just one album, but it's generally for people who can't sing)
* side instruments that don't add anything but annoying background noise to the song
* album mixers that went crazy with reverb
Aloone_Jonez:
Wow, I'm surprised I haven't got a load grief for suggesting a pop remake is better than the original, well It's a matter of opinion I suppose.
I think pitch correction is good because it allows the singer to make a fuckup without having to rerecord anything, although I can see why it's controversial as it can make any shit singer sound good but that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Vocoder effects are nothing new and have their place, for example I think the Electric Light Orchestra used the vocoder brilliantly on Mr. Blue Sky - much better than Cher's Believe which came 20 years later.
worker201:
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez on 14 June 2010, 19:51 ---Wow, I'm surprised I haven't got a load grief for suggesting a pop remake is better than the original, well It's a matter of opinion I suppose.
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Journey is a terrible band. The fact that they wrote a couple listenable songs doesn't redeem anything. And covering a listenable song is barely noteworthy.
Kintaro:
Pitch correction will make a good signer sound shit as well.
Calum:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin on 12 June 2010, 13:22 ---I've already made it clear that I don't think a simple minded discussion here is useful to finding answers.
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maybe i am misunderstanding you. are you saying my argument is simpleminded? or that you chose not to read the post you were replying to because you assumed it had only simpleminded content?
Basically: if you don't read something, you can't reply to it. You can call it names, but you are talking from a position of ignorance unless you read it, am i wrong? did i just misunderstand what you meant?
--- Quote ---In any case, what if the world prohibited copyright that restricts copying, therefore all artists are in the same boat. It's fair to say I don't know if that means more artists will exist, or if it would result in a lot of artists sinking (or, more likely, looking for a job like the rest of us - if they can't succeed or more simply make a living in a free culture world).
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that's not something i can agree with, you propose prohibiting creators from licencing their own works under a licence of their choosing? It's not inherently evil, but it is censorship of a very strong kind (quite Orwellian as they say). Why do you imagine that prohibition is ever the solution? History has shown us that prohibition never works.
--- Quote ---I for one, wouldn't be giving my money to artists with millions (which often leads them to problems, I think it is worth pointing out - and you can't make music if you're dead), but I'd give it to lots of little/medium bands whose music I like, mostly I like medium bands anyhow.
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would you? or are those "medium" bands just "big" bands with fashionable PR. Anyway how do you imagine a band gets to that status anyway if hamfisted legislation (such as the digital economy act, which comes dangerously close to forcing creators and rights holders to licence their music in a certain way) has destroyed the music industry so that the only people able to make money are X-Factor finalists? You haven't thought this through. I'm not trying to be condescending but i have devoted a lot of thought to this and talked to a lot of people, many of whom are industry professionals, and i can't see any clear solutions myself, and haven't really met anybody (except within this thread!) that seems to think they know the hard and fast solutions to the current digital copying situation.
--- Quote ---Anyways, this seems to be the question everyone wants to know: how will artistic volume be effected in a free culture world. I hear a lot of people jumping to the conclusion that all the money will be sucked out of the industry, but in my opinion A) this isn't even the most important question and B) these people don't know this.
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in a way i have to completely U-turn here because i agree that what you just said is really important.
--- Quote ---The thing is, if you are simple minded about it, all of the money being sucked out of the industry seems like a no-brainer, but what I'm saying is it is NOT a simple problem, and even if money is sucked out, there are other societal benefits of a free-culture world to be considered.
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yeah, and with music, people will be making it anyway, the money is just an indicator of how well the industry is providing mechanisms to turn that creativity into business and marketing models.
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--- Quote ---i'm not sure. I plan to do a two week tour of scotland this August, it's possible i'll break even (with travel, food and accommodation being covered by money the venues and promoters pay). Potentially i might sell one or two CDs a night and that's gravy. Do you think i am in this tight situation because i am not good enough? Is somebody like Gareth Gates or any boy band better than me? They could tour scotland and make thousands. And be clear, i expect to take a loss on this tour, not make money on the gigs.
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If you're making a loss on this tour, how are you paying for it?
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i have a job. Also, i have found i have no choice but to put my efforts into music. I've made a loss (so far) on the CD too, but i had to do it. So basically with the tour, i just said "right, i'll do it" and i'll have to make up whatever losses from my own pocket. I do know one or two people who are professional musicians, but i have no idea how i could ever get to that point.
For software, i could be wrong but i can't imagine the drive to code is as strong as the drive to create art, such as music, painting and poetry. Maybe i'm wrong.
--- Quote ---Btw, we get plenty of free small gigs in our town sometimes, but that normally means the pub is paying the band. Some of my local friends get 50 quid each a night in a band, a nice price for students who learned to do the music because they enjoy it.
--- Quote ---yeah, that'd be excellent. this doesn't seem to be too common from what i have seen. depends on the area though, and the venue.
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