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Kintaro, you're a hypocrite!
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: Kintaro on 25 July 2010, 05:59 ---Also, if Linux wasn't completely crippled and worthless none of you would come here. You wouldn't care this much about Microsoft because there would be compeition. Superior competitor != a monopoly. Linux sucks and you all admit it by being here, if it didn't suck Microsoft wouldn't have the only good OS on the planet, the only one most people want to use.
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No wonder you're coming across as so retarded and fucked in the head - you don't even understand the purpose of our being here.
Kintaro:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin on 25 July 2010, 19:02 ---
--- Quote from: Kintaro on 25 July 2010, 05:59 ---Also, if Linux wasn't completely crippled and worthless none of you would come here. You wouldn't care this much about Microsoft because there would be compeition. Superior competitor != a monopoly. Linux sucks and you all admit it by being here, if it didn't suck Microsoft wouldn't have the only good OS on the planet, the only one most people want to use.
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No wonder you're coming across as so retarded and fucked in the head - you don't even understand the purpose of our being here.
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Hhahahahaha cry more faggot
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez on 25 July 2010, 12:43 ---Lol, It looks like I've touched a raw nerve.
You haven't answered my question: basically your view is that copyright is necessary and FOSS advocates are communists who don't respect intellectual property, right?
If this is so then why do you not respect the intellectual property of others by stealing their copyrighted material?
I couldn't give a fuck about Linux for FOSS and I can sympathise with your view about people who use Windows but preach Linux being hypocritical but this isn't what I was asking so I'll continue that discussion in another thread.
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Saying copyright is censorship is like saying my door lock is an obstruction of your personal liberties. Copyright should be enforced by technology, not the Government ultimately. I have stated many times I think copyright should be enforced like any other social convention and not by Government force - but through sanctity of contract where YOU agree not to copy the work in the process of buying it - an agreement enforced by the civil court system.
People against copyright whatsoever are inadvertently also against the soverignty of individuals, the right to make contracts, and the ability of a court system to uphold them. It sets a bad prcedent in other areas of life ranging from marriage contracts to employment contracts where any agreement can be destroyed by the whims of the voters and the whims of representatives who wish to destroy individualism.
Political censorship is done directly by Governments. Copyright is done by individuals with a civil court that protects their rights. The same civil court that protects the GPL protects copyright - not the criminal court. Thus, it is not censorship in a political sense but more like Google or Facebook censorship which is really an issue of customer relations and not politics itself.
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: Kintaro on 27 July 2010, 18:31 ---
--- Quote from: piratePenguin on 25 July 2010, 19:02 ---
--- Quote from: Kintaro on 25 July 2010, 05:59 ---Also, if Linux wasn't completely crippled and worthless none of you would come here. You wouldn't care this much about Microsoft because there would be compeition. Superior competitor != a monopoly. Linux sucks and you all admit it by being here, if it didn't suck Microsoft wouldn't have the only good OS on the planet, the only one most people want to use.
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No wonder you're coming across as so retarded and fucked in the head - you don't even understand the purpose of our being here.
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Hhahahahaha cry more faggot
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The ironing, now does it not make sense to ban kintaro for being a bitch?
At least when calum said he was leaving, he left. Bitches who whine and cry "I'm leaving", should be permabanned, can we make this rule?
Aloone_Jonez:
--- Quote from: Kintaro on 27 July 2010, 18:31 ---Saying copyright is censorship is like saying my door lock is an obstruction of your personal liberties.
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The current copyright regime is censorship and does restrict civil liberties.
--- Quote ---Copyright should be enforced by technology, not the Government ultimately.
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How are they going to do that?Almost every form of DRM can ultimately be thwarted one way or another. Then there's the inconvenience factor to the user: you make the DRM too strong and it only pisses honest users off, the real 1337 p1r8s have probably already cracked it.
--- Quote --- I have stated many times I think copyright should be enforced like any other social convention and not by Government force - but through sanctity of contract where YOU agree not to copy the work in the process of buying it - an agreement enforced by the civil court system.
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Such contracts are only really any use for big cooperations, virtually no home users read big fuck-off EULAs and proving that such a licence has been violated, without infringing the privacy of others, is virtually impossible.
Then there's the question of what is reasonable and what is not.
Is it reasonable to expect someone who downloaded a program for free, to read a three page document before using the software?
Is it reasonable for someone to buy some software without being given the option to read the licence beforehand?
Is it reasonable for a group of school children to pay £1000s in damages to idiot pop star's record company because they used song in their Nativity play?
--- Quote ---Political censorship is done directly by Governments. Copyright is done by individuals with a civil court that protects their rights. The same civil court that protects the GPL protects copyright - not the criminal court. Thus, it is not censorship in a political sense but more like Google or Facebook censorship which is really an issue of customer relations and not politics itself.
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So I when I write a book I must be careful that no part of the story is similar to one released in the last 100 years in case I get sued?
I can't take a sample from the baseline of some 60s RnB record which is no longer sold and didn't even make the top 40 in its day and RAP over it without having to pay $$.
When I do write a song, I have to be careful that it's not too similar to one already written or I could get sued.
Sounds like censorship and restriction of civil liberties to me.
Are there actually any limits to what they can put in ELUAs? Fuck perhaps Microsoft should write a clause into the Windows EULA saying that the user shall not use the software to do anything that would damage Microsoft's reputation which would make those who use Windows to post anti-M$ material guilty of copyright violation, even if they paid for their copy of Windows.
--- Quote ---People against copyright whatsoever are inadvertently also against the soverignty of individuals, the right to make contracts, and the ability of a court system to uphold them. It sets a bad prcedent in other areas of life ranging from marriage contracts to employment contracts where any agreement can be destroyed by the whims of the voters and the whims of representatives who wish to destroy individualism.
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Well you clearly don't believe that at all, if you did, you wouldn't pirate so much software yourself!
You're a fucking hypocrite.
I'm not going to continue this discussion with you until you address this question, for the third and final time: if you believe in copyright, then why do you pirate so much software? Come on answer the question or can't you? If you can't then please SHUT THE FUCK UP or if you can, I'd be very interested to know.
TheQuirk:
I'm not picking sides, but why can't you believe in copyright and pirate at the same time?
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