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More hypocrites than actual people? Is this site really living up to its name?
reactosguy:
It's about time that hypocrites (in this sense, people who love Microsoft but go here to say that they hate it) are removed. I "run" Windows XP, but I don't really use every single MS product for the average consumer out there.
What we do need to realize is that Microsoft is a big corporation. We can't say every single Microsoft product is "full of crap" but we can usually expect the dark side to be bigger with every product. We don't want to be like Microsoft itself, where they can spread a bit of FUD to gain more positive reputation with their Embrace-Extend-Extinguish application, meant to compete with the amazingly popular Adobe Flash.
Unfortunately we are not the latest Microsuck and because this "successor" is a forum with a neat starting page, we are vulnerable to hypocrites. MS fans barely come here because of the sheer number of moderators (on another note, I just want to be biased). We can't just create a site where our goal is to shut down Microsoft, or we'll get shut down ourselves at any time. However we can create a site where we can convince most of the visitors to switch, and we can't be discussing the normal stuff. This is a really bad idea that needs urgent action, because most people will want to know immediately WHY Microsoft alternatives should be considered, not read a forum full of outdated opinions while saying that it will provide the info.
Is it possible that we can do this? Really? (Please note that I am not asking for changes, I'm just outraged that the forum has become a sinkhole full of idiots, hypocrites and dictators who wish to delete or mark this post.)
--- Quote from: Kintaro on 17 June 2010, 04:10 ---
I don't understand how you guys are so protective and overbearing of this place. It is almost like this site is the only thing that gives your lives meaning, well, god bless you. Because in doing it, you take away any meaning this site could possibly have to the outside observer. To anyone outside, this group just looks like a bunch of idiots getting erections over their mod powers. So nobody ever comes in, and in doing that, you inform nobody of your cause and actually help Microsoft.
Enjoy helping Microsoft.
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Refalm:
That was an informative post.
What do you suggest as to make visitors see how other products are more superior?
What could be added or changed about the front page?
reactosguy:
--- Quote from: Refalm on 2 September 2010, 11:02 ---That was an informative post.
What do you suggest as to make visitors see how other products are more superior?
What could be added or changed about the front page?
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Thank you.
1. We can tell visitors that the products are not superior because Microsoft is pushing a monopoly to make them use only their products. The alternatives section should explain the product's 200-character description, which product has more or less features, which platform it is run on, which license(s) it has, if it's finished et cetera. That info should be displayed in a box that pops up when the cursor hovers over the link. By telling visitors the info before they visit, they know that Photoshop has more features than Expression Design, but costs more and also has a proprietary license while GIMP has slightly less features but is a free download and is backed by the GNU GPL.
2. We can change the front page so that it displays info about Microsoft's past and present treacheries and tactics. We should extract some info from the old Microsuck (on Wayback Machine) and put it here, with a notice that says it was extracted from Microsuck.com on the Wayback Machine, because the predecessor gives far superior info. Don't forget to keep the recent topics thingamajig.
Refalm:
--- Quote from: reactosguy on 2 September 2010, 16:55 ---1. We can tell visitors that the products are not superior because Microsoft is pushing a monopoly to make them use only their products. The alternatives section should explain the product's 200-character description, which product has more or less features, which platform it is run on, which license(s) it has, if it's finished et cetera. That info should be displayed in a box that pops up when the cursor hovers over the link. By telling visitors the info before they visit, they know that Photoshop has more features than Expression Design, but costs more and also has a proprietary license while GIMP has slightly less features but is a free download and is backed by the GNU GPL.
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That is a good idea. I've been toying with the idea of creating these kinds of pages.
However, it already exists somewhat on applications:
http://alternativeto.net/
http://alternatives.rzero.com/
I was thinking about focussing more on operating systems, smartphones (although Microsoft is already being owned hard there), gaming consoles, business solutions, etc.
--- Quote from: reactosguy on 2 September 2010, 16:55 ---2. We can change the front page so that it displays info about Microsoft's past and present treacheries and tactics. We should extract some info from the old Microsuck (on Wayback Machine) and put it here, with a notice that says it was extracted from Microsuck.com on the Wayback Machine, because the predecessor gives far superior info. Don't forget to keep the recent topics thingamajig.
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I looked at it, and most of the information is either old or ridiculously flawed.
reactosguy:
--- Quote from: Refalm on 2 September 2010, 17:27 ---That is a good idea. I've been toying with the idea of creating these kinds of pages.
However, it already exists somewhat on applications:
http://alternativeto.net/
http://alternatives.rzero.com/
I was thinking about focussing more on operating systems, smartphones (although Microsoft is already being owned hard there), gaming consoles, business solutions, etc.
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Yes! We could try focusing less on Microsoft programs and more on their other products.
--- Quote from: Refalm on 2 September 2010, 17:27 ---I looked at it, and most of the information is either old or ridiculously flawed.
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I agree, but some of the information can be updated.
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