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IE 9 tells you to "Never Mind The Bullets"
Aloone_Jonez:
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--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez on 27 September 2010, 09:22 ---I couldn't get it to work with Opera, for some reason it doesn't finish loading, then my Internet connection stops working so I have to reset my modem and router to look at any other sites, which seems ominous. I've tried setting the user agent to Internet Explorer and it still didn't work, the annoying message didn't go away, probably because Opera was identifying itself as IE 6 or something like that.
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I think you're using an older version of Opera which doesn't support HTML5 at all or at least doesn't support it completely. If you are using a newer version, then I'll take that first statement in this paragraph back.
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No, I'm using the latest version of Opera (10.62 at the time of posting) which probably supports HTML5 better than most browsers, especially Internet Explorer 9.
May be it is a bug in Opera? If this is the case it shouldn't fuck up my Internet connection, there must also be a vunerability in Windows (what a surprise?), a buggy browser shouldn't be able to stop the Internet from working.
EDIT1:
I'll have another go and I'll make sure I restard Opera if he Internet stops working. I don't think I tried that, even though it seems obvious.
EDIT2:
I've noticed that the more recent Opera versions seem to be less stable than the older ones. I was searching for a datasheet on Google but when I clicked on the link, Opera suddenly closed down without giving an error message.
http://focus.ti.com.cn/cn/general/docs/lit/getliterature.tsp?literatureNumber=slvu213&fileType=pdf
This is weird, other PDFs seem to be fine. I thought it could be a bug in the Sdobe plugin but it works in Firefox.
piratePenguin:
I'm glad that no ones mentioned acid 3 or such tests lately, it's been found that browsers placing an emphasis on acid tests have been implementing minimum functionality in order to score points, but the required functions are useless at their task (other than to score points). Webkit developers have blogged about getting pissed off about this. Mozilla has down-played the importance of the acid tests from the start and played an honest game - the scores come slowly after much slavery ambushing internals to comply fully with the standards (functionally important parts first, score-relevant ones last).
There are too many reasons that I think I correctly regard Mozilla and not a bit of the rest as the 'savior' of the principles of the web - above the fact that Firefox actually saved those principles by becoming one of the most popular pieces of software ever.
Mozilla's stubbornness on H.264 is one of those reasons. H.264 is patented. The MPEG-LA control H.264 licenses to decode and encode (i.e. produce) H.264 videos. It would have costed Firefox in the order of hundreds of millions of dollars to support playback of H.264 videos, but the MPEG-LA actually are offering a gratis license for Firefox specifically, so why don't Mozilla accept that deal? (Other than the fact that it's a time-limited deal! disclaimer, this situation could have changed since I last was reading about this)
It's as clear as day that MPEG-LA are trying to create a monopoly on video (which they've done) and bring it to the web too. This should not be allowed to happen. Firefox will never implement a patented video codec for the same reason they rejected ActiveX support (yes, they had an implementation!). The web is for everyone. It's not for Windows users, and it should not be the way that you need to pay a licensing authority to produce video for it, or to play it back. There is nothing the MPEG-LA can do to make H.264 use acceptable in view of the original principles of the web above making it royalty free, for everybody. Making it faster and better than the competition does not achieve this. H.264 is a fair bit better than WebM because of a number of reasons, but it's all in the name: WebM fits in with the principles of the web, H.264 by MPEG-LA results in a stranglehold, again.
Firefox supports WebM and OGG. IE9 supports whatever the OS supports I THINK. This includes OGG and WebM AND H.264 all out of the box. Chrome does a similar thing to IE9 I think, and it supports all of them out of the box I think. Safari (including iPads, iPhone, iPods) supports H.264, and has no support for OGG or WebM out of the box. This is a major problem, but at least Apple are on their own on this one, without even MS to join them. Make your own mind up about Apple, abusing their control and market share over devices to push for a H.264 web. Thanks to them, developers can't make do with a single video file if they want to support free standards, remind you of anyone?
Aloone_Jonez:
I've just moved back to Firefox after having lost a forum post in Opera when it crashed, I'm very disappointed with the poorer stability of more recent Opera releases. It never used to crash on me, now it's a fairly frequent occurrence. It's normally Google maps or reading a PDF which causes it to crash.
I'll stick with Firefox for now and will only move back to Opera if it's stable and Firefox 4 is as mediocre as 3.6.x
Refalm:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin on 2 October 2010, 19:49 ---IE9 supports whatever the OS supports I THINK.
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IE9 will only support H.264 out of the box.
Maybe OGG and WebM can be supported through Windows Media Player with a codec pack. Or of course the Google Chrome Frame.
YouTube has a list of HTML5 video support:
http://www.youtube.com/html5
reactosguy:
--- Quote from: Refalm on 2 October 2010, 23:43 ---IE9 will only support H.264 out of the box.
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Not only that, but if you install a certain codec, you get WebM support.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin on 2 October 2010, 19:49 ---I'm glad that no ones mentioned acid 3 or such tests lately, it's been found that browsers placing an emphasis on acid tests have been implementing minimum functionality in order to score points, but the required functions are useless at their task (other than to score points). Webkit developers have blogged about getting pissed off about this. Mozilla has down-played the importance of the acid tests from the start and played an honest game - the scores come slowly after much slavery ambushing internals to comply fully with the standards (functionally important parts first, score-relevant ones last).
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Acid3 is a bad test. Hopefully Acid4 doesn't get it wrong.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin on 2 October 2010, 19:49 ---Mozilla's stubbornness on H.264 is one of those reasons. H.264 is patented. The MPEG-LA control H.264 licenses to decode and encode (i.e. produce) H.264 videos. It would have costed Firefox in the order of hundreds of millions of dollars to support playback of H.264 videos, but the MPEG-LA actually are offering a gratis license for Firefox specifically, so why don't Mozilla accept that deal? (Other than the fact that it's a time-limited deal! disclaimer, this situation could have changed since I last was reading about this)
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According to DiveIntoHTML5.org, MPEG-LA wants another monopoly over video formats.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin on 2 October 2010, 19:49 ---Firefox supports WebM and OGG. IE9 supports whatever the OS supports I THINK. This includes OGG and WebM AND H.264 all out of the box. Chrome does a similar thing to IE9 I think, and it supports all of them out of the box I think. Safari (including iPads, iPhone, iPods) supports H.264, and has no support for OGG or WebM out of the box. This is a major problem, but at least Apple are on their own on this one, without even MS to join them. Make your own mind up about Apple, abusing their control and market share over devices to push for a H.264 web. Thanks to them, developers can't make do with a single video file if they want to support free standards, remind you of anyone?
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Here's a table to see whether a browser supports a video format or not.
---------------FirefoxChromeInternet Explorer SafariOperaAndroidOgg Theora3.5+5.0+10.5+H.2645.0+9.0+ 3.0+2.0+WebM4.0+6.0+9.0+ (with codec)10.6+Future
Blank columns mean no support for a video format.
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