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IE 9 tells you to "Never Mind The Bullets"
Aloone_Jonez:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin on 27 September 2010, 20:24 ---wrt performance, MS have been blowing their trumpet saying that IE9 has hardware acceleration that a cross-platform browser (i.e. every other browser) cannot achieve, but this has been blown outof the water on mozilla blogs, where they are anticipating as gud or better performance. wrt javascript, see arewefastyet.com and you can see firefox 4 is close to or ahead of safari, and approaching chrome in performance, but the trend is pretty telling.
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We'll have to see which is faster. I think that IE will be faster than other browsers for some things (graphics, obviously) and other browsers will still beat it hands down in other areas such as Java.
--- Quote ---fx4 will unfortunately only have hw acceleration on windows, but i expect the rest will come after
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Yes, but I suppose for marketing purposes and Firefox vs IE flamewars, it doesn't matter that Firefox 4 only supports hardware acceleration on Windows as it's the only platform it can be compared to IE with and it would look bad if it didn't. Of course in reality it does matter that it won't work on other platforms and it's surprising that such an obvious enhancement as graphics acceleration wasn't thought of a version ago.
--- Quote from: reactosguy on 27 September 2010, 20:54 ---Microsoft could have made their own HTML5 tags. Fortunately, that didn't happen, either because MS employees could not think of tags because all of their ideas has been used, or Microsoft wants to use open standards.
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Sorry, what are you talking about?
HTML5 a new web standard, perhaps you should see the Wikipedia link below. Microsoft should be praised for implementing it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5
--- Quote from: Lead Head on 28 September 2010, 06:26 ---Interesting to see Microsoft embracing HTML5 so much. Wonder if this means they are going to ditch Silverlight? It seems to me that HTML5 will essentially be able to to the exact same things Flash/Silverlight can do today. Correct me if i'm wrong.
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Yes it does, see Wikipedia.
It seems that MS have bowed to pressure from developers and have finally given them what they wanted. I don't know about Silverlight, according to Wikipedia it seems like MS want to continue with it, but I don't know that that means for HTML5 and SVG.
I notice that the demo doesn't include any sound or if it does it doesn't work with Firefox. If there's no sound, I wonder if it's because IE 9 doesn't yet support any free codecs?
reactosguy:
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez on 28 September 2010, 10:22 ---HTML5 a new web standard, perhaps you should see the Wikipedia link below. Microsoft should be praised for implementing it.
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I know that. I was saying that Microsoft could have made their own IE-specific tags for HTML5. They made up IE-specific tags for HTML 3 in the 90's so that HTML coders could use them and visitors would be forced to use IE just to visit a single stupid site.
Aloone_Jonez:
All right, I see what you mean, yes it looks like MS have been playing to the rules for a change instead of making their own.
reactosguy:
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez on 28 September 2010, 17:11 ---All right, I see what you mean, yes it looks like MS have been playing to the rules for a change instead of making their own.
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I wonder if the same is going to happen to Microsoft's other products.
--- Quote from: Lead Head on 28 September 2010, 06:26 ---Interesting to see Microsoft embracing HTML5 so much. Wonder if this means they are going to ditch Silverlight? It seems to me that HTML5 will essentially be able to to the exact same things Flash/Silverlight can do today. Correct me if i'm wrong.
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I think they're going to keep promoting Silverlight as an alternative to HTML5 "that does what HTML5 can't."
I heard somewhere that YouTube is going to keep Flash because the videos support HD, despite HTML5's (and especially Ogg's) efforts.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin on 27 September 2010, 20:24 ---wrt performance, MS have been blowing their trumpet saying that IE9 has hardware acceleration that a cross-platform browser (i.e. every other browser) cannot achieve, but this has been blown outof the water on mozilla blogs, where they are anticipating as gud or better performance. wrt javascript, see arewefastyet.com and you can see firefox 4 is close to or ahead of safari, and approaching chrome in performance, but the trend is pretty telling.
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I believe that IE will be faster in rendering graphics and text, but I believe that it will be out-sped by some other wacky browser.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin on 27 September 2010, 20:24 ---fx4 will unfortunately only have hw acceleration on windows, but i expect the rest will come after
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That would be a great start for Firefox, since most FF users run it on Windows.
Regardless, it would be nice to see it on other platforms.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez on 27 September 2010, 09:22 ---I couldn't get it to work with Opera, for some reason it doesn't finish loading, then my Internet connection stops working so I have to reset my modem and router to look at any other sites, which seems ominous. I've tried setting the user agent to Internet Explorer and it still didn't work, the annoying message didn't go away, probably because Opera was identifying itself as IE 6 or something like that.
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I think you're using an older version of Opera which doesn't support HTML5 at all or at least doesn't support it completely. If you are using a newer version, then I'll take that first statement in this paragraph back.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez on 27 September 2010, 09:22 ---I don't have IE 9 and can't use it because it needs Vista or later. It's s bit jerky but that's to be expected as it's designed for IE9 which has hardware acceleration.
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I can't use IE9 as well since I have XP, but who cares? I believe hardware accelerating HTML5 features are cool but use too many resources.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez on 27 September 2010, 09:22 --- The question is: could this be optimised for Firefox so it runs just as fast as it does under IE9 or is IE9 genuinely faster at rendering this kind of thing?
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I think that even if IE9 is naturally faster at hardware acceleration, Firefox has a chance to out speed it by utilizing said features more efficiently.
Lead Head:
--- Quote from: reactosguy on 29 September 2010, 01:10 ---
--- Quote from: Lead Head on 28 September 2010, 06:26 ---Interesting to see Microsoft embracing HTML5 so much. Wonder if this means they are going to ditch Silverlight? It seems to me that HTML5 will essentially be able to to the exact same things Flash/Silverlight can do today. Correct me if i'm wrong.
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I think they're going to keep promoting Silverlight as an alternative to HTML5 "that does what HTML5 can't."
I heard somewhere that YouTube is going to keep Flash because the videos support HD, despite HTML5's (and especially Ogg's) efforts.
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YouTube's HTML5 player doesn't use Ogg. It uses H.264. H.264 + HTML5 support HD video just fine, but Mozilla will not implement an H.264 codec into Firefox since it is not FOSS. Youtube won't use Ogg because as of now, the bitrates required for decent quality streaming HD are too high.
--- Quote ---I can't use IE9 as well since I have XP, but who cares? I believe hardware accelerating HTML5 features are cool but use too many resources.
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Uh...? The idea of hardware acceleration, is that the GPU can do the bulk of the rendering work, letting the CPU be free to do other things. Hardware acceleration frees up resources.
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