Why Windows should be avoided.

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Yes Win95 and 98 is built on top of dos NOT ME!!!! The DOS in that particular windows in emulated!

Are you smoking crack? DOS is not emulated in ME. It is tucked away so people can't access it without a boot floppy. The fact is that Windows ME does run on top of DOS. All Win9x varients do.

IT runs on top of Dos 8.00 as a matter of fact.
http://toastytech.com/guis/me5.html

It can even be hacked to where you can access DOS by normal means(like any other Win9X OS). The hack pretty much unhides what MS originally hid.

http://www.geocities.com/mfd4life_2000/


 

quote:Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
So your saying 9x cann't run past 512MB? Bullshit!!!! It actualy CAN, what you have is bad hardware!!! Windows can't run on bad hardware no matter WHAT version it is. Check to see if your hardware is working properly BEFORE you bitch....

You can run ovr 512MB in a Win9x stabily if you modify your VCache to limit it@512MB. That makes your extra Ram useless. Win9x is not designed to run with over 512MB. Microsoft even has Knowledge Base Articles about this. Get your facts straight before you post. This is the second time in this post that you have been proven not to know what in the fuck you are talking about.

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q253/9/12.ASP


 

quote:Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Its great to see, when people who use windows OS say, that if you use this file system, you'll get less crashes blah blah blah............

No matter what version its GONNA CRASH!!! I've seen windows millenioum out perform windows XP, expecialy when it comes to network security and ease of use. The fact is 9x will let you do more while newer M$ OS'es try to constrain what you do.

But thats justs M$ buissness modle

Filesystems make a world of difference when it comes to reliability and stability of an OS. Especially when you are comparing a journaling filesystem with security enhancements, index and structure protection, better cluster handling, better slack, etc. to a basic, non-journaling filesystem with no security, no structure protection, terrible cluster handling, etc.

It is a known fact that FAT scatters clusters of data all over the drive every time you add data to it. NTFS tends to keep clusters of data as close to each other as possible eliminating the need to defrag every time you install a game, copy a large file to it, etc.

Here is a little summary of things that NTFS has to offer that FAT doesn't. The only thing FAT is good for is it works with old, shitty legacy OSes that need to be killed off. You have mis-perceptions about NT based OSes. You are un-eductaed and you don't know what in the fuck you are talking about. Please don't come back bitching at me until you have some facts.

http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.html?i=63

[ September 26, 2003: Message edited by: Viper ]

[M51DPS]

quote:Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
The only difference you find with each linux distrobution is the way the package it.  

The target certain users with a set of skills, it all depends on what distro your going for and what will work for you.

That seems to be one of the great things about Linux, there's a distribution for just about everybody. And if you can't find a distribution that you like and you have enough know how, you can just make your own because it's open source.

[mushrooomprince]

I regret the name I gave to this thread.

>.<

[hm_murdock]

I don't because I'm a robot

I'm gonna shoot windows with some BIG GIANT MEGA LAZORS

[solarismka]

quote:Originally posted by Viper:


Filesystems make a world of difference when it comes to reliability and stability of an OS. Especially when you are comparing a journaling filesystem with security enhancements, index and structure protection, better cluster handling, better slack, etc. to a basic, non-journaling filesystem with no security, no structure protection, terrible cluster handling, etc.

It is a known fact that FAT scatters clusters of data all over the drive every time you add data to it. NTFS tends to keep clusters of data as close to each other as possible eliminating the need to defrag every time you install a game, copy a large file to it, etc.

Here is a little summary of things that NTFS has to offer that FAT doesn't. The only thing FAT is good for is it works with old, shitty legacy OSes that need to be killed off. You have mis-perceptions about NT based OSes. You are un-eductaed and you don't know what in the fuck you are talking about. Please don't come back bitching at me until you have some facts.

http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.html?i=63

[ September 26, 2003: Message edited by: Viper ]

Hmm interesting you claim me to be uneducated when you are the one bitching and whinning about 9x this but NT is that.  It really doesn't make a difference, that simply is the bottom line.

Idf it had then why is it that I see XP crash just as much as any other windows OS, why is it that even with the amount of time M$ has been around, it STILL gets infected with virii and usless old exploits???


Its because of the whole buisness modle M$ has.  Whether its XP or 9x it really DOES NOT change!!!

You still have to deal with a crappy registry, poor security and incomapatibility!  And on to of all that MORE spyware thats now introduced at the OS level,  If you like XP

hay thats fine, but stop preaching your bullshit.  Just because we are not as stupid as you to think that M$ is so wonderful and great!  That it really has improved when its the same damn thing with a Fisher Price GUI!!!

But someone like you needs such a thing.  Other wize you'd be lost.

[solarismka]

quote:Originally posted by mushrooomprince:
I regret the name I gave to this thread.

>.<

Don't!

If anything, you've have brought awarness, and increase ability to see why the alternatives just makes scence.  

There will always be a 'rkmaster,' 'Microsoft Corperation', and/or a 'viper' who justs want us to think that he/she has the best deal and we must some how pay for what we did.....

That some how they must have made the better deal and reationalising with themselves that we are the ones that are @ the wrong end.

What we do is open up to say that there really no need for the constant 'maintenece.' virri and trojan wars.

You can work with a machine and go to bed at night and not worry of a nother hostile takeover or overwork because of that broken 'patch.'

If they, those who use windows, think they have the  better deal.   Then good for them.  We will still push the alternative.  

Because there really is a better way of life than living constantly behind a machine.

[Refalm]

quote:-=Solaris.M.K.A=-: There will always be a 'rkmaster,' 'Microsoft Corperation', and/or a 'viper' who justs want us to think that he/she has the best deal and we must some how pay for what we did.....

Don't talk like that about Viper. There's a difference between a troll and someone who prevers Windows over another OS. Viper is the second type, rkmaster22 the first.

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:


Hmm interesting you claim me to be uneducated when you are the one bitching and whinning about 9x this but NT is that.  It really doesn't make a difference, that simply is the bottom line.

Idf it had then why is it that I see XP crash just as much as any other windows OS, why is it that even with the amount of time M$ has been around, it STILL gets infected with virii and usless old exploits???


Its because of the whole buisness modle M$ has.  Whether its XP or 9x it really DOES NOT change!!!

You still have to deal with a crappy registry, poor security and incomapatibility!  And on to of all that MORE spyware thats now introduced at the OS level,  If you like XP

hay thats fine, but stop preaching your bullshit.  Just because we are not as stupid as you to think that M$ is so wonderful and great!  That it really has improved when its the same damn thing with a Fisher Price GUI!!!

But someone like you needs such a thing.  Other wize you'd be lost.

Uneductaed? LoL!!! This is coming from a guy who thinks that Windows ME doesn't run on top of DOS and it only emulates it? Don't make me laugh man.

BTW, If you don't like the default Windoes XP Luna GUI(I know I don't) you can simply change it. Oh yeah! I'm sure that you don't even know how to change it.      

Don't make me start pulling up the huge list of recent bugs and security problems that have been discovered in Linux. Oh what the hell, Here are 15 advisories that have been posted in the last 5 days. You do know that on average there are at least 2 or 3 bugs and security problems discovered in open source OSes every day..right? Oh yeah, I forgot! You are retarded, of course you didn't know.

To be honest, I bet I know how to use Open Source software better than you do. BTW, as a user of Open Source software you should do things to contribute to the community instead of just sitting around talking shit all day long. What have you done with Open Source software to contribute to it and to benefit the community? Probably nothing. You are probably just a free loader who does nothing more than just use the software. As far as the Open Source community is concerned, you are worthless to them. You can't be a free-loader all of your life man.

Anyways, I'm done arguing with a tard who has to be proven wrong time and time again so I'm out. As I already said, don't post unless you have facts. You look extremely stupid when you go around spouting false stuff...you look even dumber when the people you call stupid continuously prove you wrong.

[ September 28, 2003: Message edited by: Viper ]

[mushrooomprince]

quote: h what the hell, Here are 15 advisories that have been posted in the last 5 days.

Theres a difference between finding a bug and hackers actually exploiting the bug and causing billions of dollars in damage.

Usually the contributors to the Linux community find the bug before a hacker or disturbed 17 year old does.


Windows has serious security issues, thats not really up for debate.  

But have you ever thought that maybe if everyone wasn't using windows, everyone might not be affected by a problem that only affects 1 operating system ?

[anphanax]

I'm a little peeved at XP Pro. I am sick and tired of explorer.exe crashing with moronic error messages. (DDE Server Window error because I dragged an icon across the screen.. give me a break..)

It's amazing how one out of every 5 times or so I open my folder with MP3s, Explorer.exe crashes. Or worse yet, when I open the My Pictures folder, Explorer crashes and then if I try and go back to the folder, it crashes again and again until I reboot.

And don't forget, sometimes programs that crash will ignore termination requests from TaskMan. (explorer is an offender here again)

And finally.. Why does explorer need to read from the registry CONSTANTLY.. reading the same crap over and over and over.. Is it just me, or is this ineffecient? (YEAH, I know it checks to see if you've updated any settings, but it should do so in an Event-Based manner)

[Enmity]

The thing is, Windows doesn't have too much versions while Linux has virtually infinite distros since everyone can make one.

[Zombie9920]

Well, Linux is pissing me off right now as a matter of fact(Redhat 9). I'm trying to mount all 7 of my partations(6 NTFS and 1 EXT3). It is letting me mount 2 of the NTFS partations and the EXT3 is always mounted...but when I try to mount any more it says that I have too many devices mounted already. What is up with that shit?  Windows mounts 7 partations, plus my CD Drive plus my CD-RW drive plus my DVD+RW drive like it ain't nothing. As a matter of fact, Windows lets you mount up to 24 partations/drives(C: - Z: ) .

Linux isn't even letting me mount more than 6 partations/drives. What gives?      

I was going to blame it on one of the drives(the one with 4 partations) being SATA but that isn't it because if I unmount the NTFS partations on the IDE drives I can mount 2 of the partations on the SATA drive. If I unmount 1 of the IDE NTFS partations I can mount 1 of the SATA NTFS partations.

Now here is the real kick to the balls. Every time I unmount a CD-Drive/DVD Drive I can mount a partation to replace the drive I unmounted. Why in the fuck would I want all of my CD/DVD drives unmounted just to use hard drive partations? I want it all to work at the same time!!!!!

[ September 29, 2003: Message edited by: Viper ]

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by Refalm:


Don't talk like that about Viper. There's a difference between a troll and someone who prevers Windows over another OS. Viper is the second type, rkmaster22 the first.

Thanks man. Even though I prefer Win2K and XP doesn't mean I never use alternatives. I particularly like BeOS. I don't hate Linux...it does piss me off though. Then again, Win9x(Windows ME especially) pisses me off to.  

[solarismka]

quote:Originally posted by Viper:
Well, Linux is pissing me off right now as a matter of fact(Redhat 9). I'm trying to mount all 7 of my partations(6 NTFS and 1 EXT3). It is letting me mount 2 of the NTFS partations and the EXT3 is always mounted...but when I try to mount any more it says that I have too many devices mounted already. What is up with that shit?  Windows mounts 7 partations, plus my CD Drive plus my CD-RW drive plus my DVD+RW drive like it ain't nothing. As a matter of fact, Windows lets you mount up to 24 partations/drives(C: - Z: ) .

Linux isn't even letting me mount more than 6 partations/drives. What gives?      

I was going to blame it on one of the drives(the one with 4 partations) being SATA but that isn't it because if I unmount the NTFS partations on the IDE drives I can mount 2 of the partations on the SATA drive. If I unmount 1 of the IDE NTFS partations I can mount 1 of the SATA NTFS partations.

Now here is the real kick to the balls. Every time I unmount a CD-Drive/DVD Drive I can mount a partation to replace the drive I unmounted. Why in the fuck would I want all of my CD/DVD drives unmounted just to use hard drive partations? I want it all to work at the same time!!!!!

[ September 29, 2003: Message edited by: Viper ]

Hmmmmmm. habe you tried looking in fstab in /etc/

A while back all my partitions went from hda to hdb.

I really do not know why it happened.  Although I have the feeling it was me fiddling with the partion sizes or something.  Linux may have assigned a new block to it.

[solarismka]

quote:Originally posted by Viper:


Uneductaed? LoL!!! This is coming from a guy who thinks that Windows ME doesn't run on top of DOS and it only emulates it? Don't make me laugh man.

BTW, If you don't like the default Windoes XP Luna GUI(I know I don't) you can simply change it. Oh yeah! I'm sure that you don't even know how to change it.        

Don't make me start pulling up the huge list of recent bugs and security problems that have been discovered in Linux. Oh what the hell, Here are 15 advisories that have been posted in the last 5 days. You do know that on average there are at least 2 or 3 bugs and security problems discovered in open source OSes every day..right? Oh yeah, I forgot! You are retarded, of course you didn't know.

To be honest, I bet I know how to use Open Source software better than you do. BTW, as a user of Open Source software you should do things to contribute to the community instead of just sitting around talking shit all day long. What have you done with Open Source software to contribute to it and to benefit the community? Probably nothing. You are probably just a free loader who does nothing more than just use the software. As far as the Open Source community is concerned, you are worthless to them. You can't be a free-loader all of your life man.

Anyways, I'm done arguing with a tard who has to be proven wrong time and time again so I'm out. As I already said, don't post unless you have facts. You look extremely stupid when you go around spouting false stuff...you look even dumber when the people you call stupid continuously prove you wrong.

[ September 28, 2003: Message edited by: Viper ]

Lets see here, I design and build programs for the OO enviroment, so I MUST not be contributing, right?

I know that programs have holes but in OO they get FIXED!  In windows they do not and no one has time to download a 100sp11234578900 patch which will break the OS.

You assume that I know nothing, this is where you make your mistake and I can claim that you are uneducated....

Yes I do know how to change the interface in XP, so what is your point there?


Windows not linux as been infected numerous times with trogens, virii etc no matter what version it is, So bashing ME and praising XP just makes no scense to me......

The only difference I see is that XP has a LOT more imbedded applications (WMP9) So worms can have fun with the OS, but then again were talking windows here, what else is new!

I just can't see why you are complaining........
All the things you have pointed out we all here know about them already and all the things that are pointed out in linux have already been cleared up.

Did you know that OpenSSH did have a buffer overflow vulnrability.  In less than a day it was patched and installed in my system.  Because there isn't any 'unessessary' services running.  Everything was working as it was suposed to and my job became a lot easier to do, no mre sleepless nights..........

Don't assume that I just sit here and do nothing!  That is arrogence on your part.  Just because you use XP im not gonna call you stupid,  I personaly just don't get why I always here ME is blah blah blah.... While XP is good!

With all the Spyware built into it, I personaly wouldn't touch it wit a ten ft pole, Yes 9x is less 'stable'  but I find with a 128 to 512 mb of ram it is quite stable and I can watch movies and stuff without it calling home and then blocking my codecs.