I neva believed I'd actually say this...

[madmarky]

There was once a time when I was totally against M$, Windows and Bill Gates. I started trying out different forms of linux and realised that M$ was my only option...

I am now back on Windows XP Pro. Why? Because of hardware. In Windows all my hardware works great but in other x86 OS's it does not. In fact I spent alot of wasted time looking for drivers and ways to get it working but I got absolutely nowhere. In Linux the following hardware on my pc either does not work at all or does not work properly: Modem, Multimedia Keyboard, Trackball, Printer and Scanner. This is why I'm back in Windows. At least it works!! I realise that M$ is a pile of **** and one reason why my hardware works with windows is cos they've struck deals with manufacturers etc but until linux catches up and my hardware works I'm prepared to stick with windows.

Has anyone else been in my situation? Replies would be much appreciated.

[sirdiesalot1112]

I have been in yout exact position, I moved a couple boxes back to win98SE because of it... from now on, every computer I perchase is gonna have linux compatable components. May I ask why XP Pro? why not 2K? I think you know what I'm getting at..... If your gonna use XP just get the cheaper slightly more stable version of it, ME  

but back on subject, I know what you mean, however I put forth the effort needed to get myself out of bill'z grips

FUCK MICROSOFT!

[voidmain]

If you don't buy proprietary hardware Linux works great. And proprietary hardware is usually inferior. If you really want to get rid of MS and run Linux you will get rid of your MS PC and build one for Linux. "I will use Linux when Linux recognizes all my hardware" is a cop out.

[KernelPanic]

I believe Penguin Digital Solutions make Liunx ready PC's.

Oh no that's my  imaginary company.

[cocoamix]

If you really were concerned about having all your hardware easily working and still having a *NUX based OS, and NOT giving any money to M$ you should try Mac OS X. (If you can afford a system    )

[Doctor V]

Next time you buy a PC make sure it has none of that proprietary hardware.  Get a hardware list from the retailer and check every piece on one of the several webpages telling what will work with Linux and what won't.  And do not not not not not buy one with windoze pre-installed.  That will just give BillyG more money with which to make those fascist deals with hardware manufacturers.  What kind of computer do you have?  Maybe its time for a new one already.  Use Win2K, not XP.  XP is evil beyond evil.  Going from any other OS to XP completes your journey to Micro$lavery.

V

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by K7_and_Linux...:
If your gonna use XP just get the cheaper slightly more stable version of it, ME                
[QB]

What in the fuck are you talking about man? Windows ME(Windows 9x period) is a pile of crap. Win9x is nowhere near NT in stability/reliability. Do you know why Win9x is so unstable? Because it is a 32bit patch for a 16bit shell(Win3.x) sitting on top of an 8bit foundation(DOS). That is a big reason why Win9x is good at having I/O conflict errors(because it partially relies on DOS to set the I/O functions, IRQs, DMAs, etc.). The dependency of DOS is also a big reason why Win9x is good at causing BSODs(DOS is using some of your memory addresses at all times and when Windows tries to use a memory address that is already being used by DOS it will cause a crash).

Windows NT based OSes on the other hand are fully 32-bit(not a 32bit patch for a 16bit shell on an 8bit system) and has no dependencies of any other OS(like DOS). Windows NT has full access to memory addresses, it has full access to I/O, DMA, IRQ address configurations, etc.

The loss of the old sloppy 8-bit OS(DOS) greatly increases the stability of Windows. Anybody who claims that Win9x is more stable than a NT based OS is a fool.

     

quote:Originally posted by Doctor V:
[QB]Next time you buy a PC make sure it has none of that proprietary hardware.  Get a hardware list from the retailer and check every piece on one of the several webpages telling what will work with Linux and what won't.  And do not not not not not buy one with windoze pre-installed.  That will just give BillyG more money with which to make those fascist deals with hardware manufacturers.  What kind of computer do you have?  Maybe its time for a new one already.  Use Win2K, not XP.  XP is evil beyond evil.  Going from any other OS to XP completes your journey to Micro$lavery.

V

You know what is funny? All of the hardware that is Linux ready also works great with Microsoft OSes. Linux can't boast the same hardware compatibility with Windows ready hardware that Windows can boast with Linux ready hardware. ;P
Face it, Windows is much better than Linux for hardware and software compatibility and availability.

I don't know why you all hate Windows XP so much. It is the best Windows OS out there. It has the speed and stability of Windows 2000, an improved GUI and interface and best of all Windows XP can run almost any piece of legacy DOS software(and Win9x only software) whereas Windows 2000 can't. Windows 2000 is a great OS for an old workstation, but Windows XP is better for the average consumer who wants complete software compatibility. BTW, everything is better in XP anyways(Like WMP 9 for XP has soo many more features like the taskbar player, out of box VCD and DVD playback codecs, etc. while WMP 9 for Win2K/Win9x isn't much different than WMP 7.1). Windows XP and Windows .NET are better for a workstation than Win2K is also. Have you guys ever heard of updated services and admin controls? The only time I would reccomend Win2K over Windows XP is if you have some old dinosaur system that can't run XP at a decent speed(like a Pentium classic system or a PII system with under 64MB of Ram).

[ September 03, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]

[Bazoukas]

Can you tell me then why my USB NIC card that said on the box "Compatible only with 9x-ME-2k" works with Mandrake and RH?

  Or why My cannon scanner did not work simply because Cannon and MS did not want to release the specs so Linux drivers would not be created?
 Yet the Linux community wrote the drivers and what do  you know. My Cannon FB630U works just fine and dandy.

  Or hmmmmm why my SB 512 Sound Card (a very popular midrange sound card you must agree) does not work with 2k? Yet, what do you know, all Linux flavors i tried, work with it.
 Maybe MS has released a 2k driver for that card. But 6 months ago that i tried it i didnt found any.

[Zombie9920]

You can't get a SB 512 card to work in Win2K? Your kidding me right? Any SB card ISA/PCI card will work in Win2K. Did you ever go to http://www.creative.com and download Win2K drivers for your card?

[Bazoukas]

As I said. The time when I tried it I couldnt find a driver and i just said fak it. Since then I only used win98 just to play  few games that I have during the weekends.

 Read the last part of my previous post. I said
 " Maybe MS has released a 2k driver for that card."

 Thanks for the info though. It kinda struck me as odd that MS or CB wouldnt release a driver for that card, since many gamers have it.


 Edit. I prefer Win98 because believe it or not RainbowSix and Operation Flashpoint runs better on it. The games were writen basicaly for Winx and not 2k.

[ September 03, 2002: Message edited by: bazoukas ]

[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by Zombie9920:
You know what is funny? All of the hardware that is Linux ready also works great with Microsoft OSes. Linux can't boast the same hardware compatibility with Windows ready hardware that Windows can boast with Linux ready hardware. ;P

That's because with Linux the goal is to be "open", that is "let everyone play". In the M$ world it's "our way or the highway".

 

quote:Face it, Windows is much better than Linux for hardware and software compatibility and availability.

I have yet to see Windows run on a Sun Sparc, a Mac, an IBM mainframe, an HP PA-RISC, a PS2, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc..

 

quote:I don't know why you all hate Windows XP so much. It is the best Windows OS out there.

Uh, maybe because even the best version of Windows doesn't hold a candle to the worst version of UNIX?

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by bazoukas:
As I said. The time when I tried it I couldnt find a driver and i just said fak it. Since then I only used win98 just to play  few games that I have during the weekends.

 Read the last part of my previous post. I said
 " Maybe MS has released a 2k driver for that card."

 Thanks for the info though. It kinda struck me as odd that MS or CB wouldnt release a driver for that card, since many gamers have it.


 Edit. I prefer Win98 because believe it or not RainbowSix and Operation Flashpoint runs better on it. The games were writen basicaly for Winx and not 2k.

[ September 03, 2002: Message edited by: bazoukas ]

Win2K driver for your card.

http://www.americas.creative.com/support/files/download.asp?Centric=47&OS=6&descID=1210

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by VoidMain:


Uh, maybe because even the best version of Windows doesn't hold a candle to the worst version of UNIX?

*nix aint shit for anything other than servers.
Windows is the way to go for the common stuff that your average computer user needs a computer for (playing games, productivity apps, etc.). When you go to a software store you don't see stuff for *nix on the shelves do you? Hell no you don't. Most people do not have the time to dig up and download 300+ MB apps that claim to be just as good as popular Windows based rival software. Not everybody sits on thier ass in front of a computer all day(like *nix geeks do).

Do you think the average computer user is going to have a Sun Sparc, IA-64, etc. CPU? Hell no they aren't going to have a server based chip. For that matter, Windows XP 64bit and Windows .NET 64bit edition *DO* run on IA-64, will run the AMD hammer and the Itanium 2 processors. ;P

There is also a Mac version of Windows NT(it is very hard to find but it does exist). I think the Windows NT for Mac is a port of NT 4, it may've been NT 3.51 though..I'm not quite for sure.

[ September 04, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]

[RudeCat7]

Whatever...

Fill out your member profile or your opinions don't mean shit, because you didn't even take the time.   :mad:  

This goes for both of you, Madmarky and Microsoft Zombie.

I would toss out the whole fucking computer if it had any proprietary microsoft crap!

Microsoft will fuck you over to make more money!

I have a printer and scanner that wont work in anything past WinMe, so what's the difference!
That scanner cost $250, and the printer $200.

So who's gonna support these things? The Linux community, that's who!

Both units are supported in Linux! I was about to give away the scanner!

You know that thousands of people had to buy new printers, etc. for the priviledge of upgrading to    XP. because Microsoft doesn't want to waste their time programming drivers,
FACT! for older peripherals.

So what's the difference!

  :mad:

[ September 04, 2002: Message edited by: RudeCat7 ]

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by bazoukas:
Edit. I prefer Win98 because believe it or not RainbowSix and Operation Flashpoint runs better on it. The games were writen basicaly for Winx and not 2k.

[ September 03, 2002: Message edited by: bazoukas ]

Just as I said. Win2K is not a good OS to run legacy DOS and Win9x only software on. Windows XP runs Win9x only software perfectly(in some cases better than Win9x does). Windows XP is way ahead of Win2K for home consumers, gamers and even workstations and servers.