I neva believed I'd actually say this...

[voidmain]

Heh heh, I knew that would get a rise out of you Zombie. All I know is, I am sitting here on my old piece of shit Dell Laptop w/64MB of RAM running RedHat 7.3 trucking right along like just fine surfing the net doing all of my productivity stuff in OpenOffice.  Only a server OS huh?  I bet this Laptop would puke if I tried to install XP on it.

Your average user can get along quite nicely with Linux. You don't see as much on the shelves because most of it can be had for free without purchasing in a store.

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by RudeCat7:
Whatever...

Fill out your member profile or your opinions don't mean shit, because you didn't even take the time.   :mad:  

I don't need to fill out shit. You can go eat a dick for all I care.

[Bazoukas]

quote:Originally posted by Zombie9920:



*nix aint shit for anything other than servers.
Windows is the way to go for the common stuff that your average computer user needs a computer for (playing games, productivity apps, etc.). When you go to a software store you don't see stuff for *nix on the shelves do you? Hell no you don't. Most people do not have the time to dig up and download 300+ MB apps that claim to be just as good as popular Windows based rival software. Not everybody sits on thier ass in front of a computer all day(like *nix geeks do).

Do you think the average computer user is going to have a Sun Sparc, IA-64, etc. CPU? Hell no they aren't going to have a server based chip. For that matter, Windows XP 64bit and Windows .NET 64bit edition *DO* run on IA-64, will run the AMD hammer and the Itanium 2 processors. ;P

[ September 03, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]

Ok then, lets take an ordinary smo jo like me that goes for Computer Science Major.

 I need to buy the Windows OS.
 I also need to buy the compiler.

 How much is all that? More than I can afford.

You will say then: Hey smo jo there are free compilers out there.
 And my reply will be. Uhh no thank you. I want something that i can be sure it works as it SHOULD. An uhh btw why pay so much money for an OS that doesnt give me a compiler when i can get Linux that has all the tools i need?

  BTW have you checked the latest apps in Linux? There are mooooore than enough, compared to the default apps that come with Windows.

  And you have to realize. VoidMan is not a "housewife" computer user. When it comes to Computers his way of thinking is 10 gears ahead of us. He is talking about cuting edge stuff. Something that MS says they are inovating but from my experience so far (which cannot be compared to VoidMan's), i can safely say its not inovation, its just copycat.

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by VoidMain:
Heh heh, I knew that would get a rise out of you Zombie. All I know is, I am sitting here on my old piece of shit Dell Laptop w/64MB of RAM running RedHat 7.3 trucking right along like just fine surfing the net doing all of my productivity stuff in OpenOffice.  Only a server OS huh?  I bet this Laptop would puke if I tried to install XP on it.

Your average user can get along quite nicely with Linux. You don't see as much on the shelves because most of it can be had for free without purchasing in a store.

Yeah. Like I said, most people do not have the time to hunt up Linux equivalent apps on the net nor do they have the time to download the stuff. Don't forget, your average computer user is on a 56k or worse connection. Downloading 300+ MB worth of data can take a full day on a dial-up. How many people can you honestly say have the time to wait for a large download like that on a dial-up? Sure they can set the download and leave the comp, but who is to say they want to tie up thier phone line all day? Maybe people do get phone calls or need to make calls in a day. LoL ;P

[voidmain]

But most everything needed is included in any major distro now days.  And the 56k thing isn't much of an issue. If you don't know anyone with high speed (who doesn't?) you can order the CDs off the net for a couple of bucks...

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by bazoukas:



Ok then, lets take an ordinary smo jo like me that goes for Computer Science Major.

 I need to buy the Windows OS.
 I also need to buy the compiler.

 How much is all that? More than I can afford.

You will say then: Hey smo jo there are free compilers out there.
 And my reply will be. Uhh no thank you. I want something that i can be sure it works as it SHOULD. An uhh btw why pay so much money for an OS that doesnt give me a compiler when i can get Linux that has all the tools i need?

  BTW have you checked the latest apps in Linux? There are mooooore than enough, compared to the default apps that come with Windows.

  And you have to realize. VoidMan is not a "housewife" computer user. When it comes to Computers his way of thinking is 10 gears ahead of us. He is talking about cuting edge stuff. Something that MS says they are inovating but from my experience so far (which cannot be compared to VoidMan's), i can safely say its not inovation, its just copycat.

I am far from a n00bie when it comes to computers also. I am no stranger to a *nix environment. I will admit that *nix is far from useless...however it is also far from being an adequate solution for most computer users.

VoidMain is very knowledgable but he is also ignorant. He is ignorant in the sense that he doesn't think rationally when it comes to the needs of your average computer user. Most people need conveinience...which is something that *nix does not have to offer. Alot of people wouldn't even know how to install a rpm package let alone use the command line, compile thier kernel to support new stuff, etc.

[RudeCat7]

Fine, I wont waste my time and neither should you Void.

[voidmain]

Zombie's just pissed because he knows Microsoft's days are numbered. That combined with the fact that he can't figure out how to install software in anything other than Windows. What will he do? McDonalds?

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by VoidMain:
But most everything needed is included in any major distro now days.  And the 56k thing isn't much of an issue. If you don't know anyone with high speed (who doesn't?) you can order the CDs off the net for a couple of bucks...

The kind of people I'm talking about barely even know how to use a computer(they have to use crappy ISP's like AOL because of the ease of use for crying out loud). With that said, what makes you think they would even know where to begin in running a *nix system.

Word up, Windows works, is conveiniant and offers everything needed for your average user. It takes very little knowledge for a computer n00b to operate Windows. Linux is getting easier to use, but it is not nearly easy enough for computer n00bs and people who don't care to learn how to extensivley use a computer.

You have to think about the fact that alot people do have real lives to deal with.

[voidmain]

I am really beginning to wonder what the last version of Linux you used?  Even a Windows user can use the latest distros without having a brain cramp.

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by VoidMain:
Zombie's just pissed because he knows Microsoft's days are numbered. That combined with the fact that he can't figure out how to install software in anything other than Windows. What will he do? McDonalds?

You fucking idiot. I know how to use *nix based systems. I am talking about people who don't know how to and don't have the time to learn how to use the *nix systems.

The fact that Windows is easy to use is the reason why MS has like 89% of the desktop marketshare, Apple has like 10% and *nix has under 1%.

To Rudecat,

VoidMain doesn't make stupid posts telling people to fill out thier profiles. Why in the hell should a person care about profiles?

With that said, I have no problem arguing with Void because he isn't a complete idiot(hence why I haven't told him to go suck a dick). You on the other hand are a waste of my time. Her, Her...fill out your profile...her...her, hardy..har.  :rolleyes:

[Bazoukas]

Well I will agree with you, up to a point though.

 From the troubleshooting I have done for other people's computers I can say that, a good big portion of them are just plain morons.
 
 They install anything and everything they see in a CD, making the Registry all fucked up. They surf the WWW with out setting up a simple FIrewall such as ZoneAlarm (you cant get any simpler than ZoneAlarm, and it does a prety good job too).
 Those type of people bought a Computer from BestBuy for $2000 (maybe more) just for the shit of it. They can do their work with a 100MGZ PC, but no, they want to get fancy oh yeah and I forgot a 100MGHZ PC is way too slow for MS products.


 Then we got the intermediate PC users (Where I am at right now) that have learned to do more than play pinball in Windows. They fool around with the registry and all that. That group is clever enough to switch to Linux. And from people I know in Real life and over the net, those people already have Linux on their HD along with Windows. Just so they can wet their feet.


 And btw as VoidMan said, You can order any app you want for just a few bucks. And RPMs are not hard at all. I remember my 1st week with X, even though I didnt know where my head from my ass was, I understood RPMs. And trust me I am not a genious. Just an ordinary Smo Jo that was never good with PCs (former Psych Major, to give you a clue).

[Zombie9920]

Basically, I am trying to stress the point that *nix is not nowhere near being ready to be a mainstream OS for the simple fact that alot of people do not know shit about computers. VoidMain seems to think *nix is the only way to go. He doesn't realize that it is not practical for most people and it is not the answer for alot of people. I don't know how VoidMain can claim that MS's days are numbered...I mean comeon, in the desktop market Linux holds under 1% share. I hardley think that *nix is anywhere near overthrowing MS with that kind of a marketshare.

Most people will continue to use Windows and will continue to upgrade to new releases of Windows. I doubt we will ever see *nix go above 5% in the desktop market. It has been trying for over 10 years now and it hasn't even jumped the 1% hurdle yet. Give me a break Void, LoL.

In the server market the numbers are totally different(the nubers favor *nix) and with good reason. *nix is excellent for servers. An admin does not use his server for everday computer usage(obviously). In the scenerio where you don't need your computer for average stuff  *nix is a great alternative.

[voidmain]

Heh heh, this is just like old times Zombie.

But we can go over your misinformation again. If you think the reason that Windows has like 89% of the desktops (and I thought it was higher so I'll give you that one) is because of "ease of use" you are kidding yourself. Better do some more research. If you would like me to give you the real reasons I will but I'll give you the chance to think of and list them yourself.

And just like the IE Browser stats FUD there is no real way to count the number of Linux installations. Granted it would surely be much much smaller than the Microsoft installations. But you can't count "copies sold" or "numbers downloaded" because that just doesn't work when you are allowed to copy and redistribute all you want.  In fact you have to take away some of the Microsoft Numbers and give to the Linux people who bought their machine with Windows preinstalled and installed Linux over the top of it (by the way, this is also hint to one of the reasons why M$ has 89% of the desktops in the above paragraph).

Now it's hard to dispute that Linux has been steadily rising in popularity (maybe even exponentially). Yes, mostly on servers in the past but much news lately is putting Linux on target for the desktop. It's not something that is just going to go away any time soon. It's on a steady pace and I can't imagine anything slowing it down, other than proprietary laws being put in place, and most of what I have seen on that front has been pro-OSS.

[Bazoukas]

Ugggghhh!! Dammit i need to study and do my Homework ON LINUX    

 Anyway for now i will agree to disagree with you.


 just a note. The only thing that still makes me boot in Win98 is games. When big companies decide to go with X then thats it.

  And Linux is getting more and more friendly.


Shit the full install is easy and fast for example. It took me 34 minutes.
Win98 took me a good 1hour and 10 min.

Full isntall for me is: From deleting creating partitions to setting up Vidcard sound card AV,FW.

 And 10 years of holding up is an achievement. If you think that most companies that dared to challenge MS got blown away.

Fear the penguis I say  :eek:          

 Allright am out of here.


You can talk amongst yourselves now. Ill be QQ all of you.