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Scotty:

quote:Originally posted by The artist formerly known as Doogee:
i would rather see Wine/WineX and all other shit like that crash and burn. if wine evolves to the point where it can play all games then what is the point of developors making linux native version of games/software. After all it would still be a windows game/program, the fact it can be used in an emulator means fuck all. then other developers will do the same they wont make linux versions cos it can be run in wine or similar and continue to develop for windows. DEVELOPING FOR WINDOWS IS NOT A GOOD THING. what we want is native versions!!!!!!!
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I Couldn't agree more with you!! Eventhought I appriciate very much those who develop wine but I want to stay away as far as I can from m$. Why would I want to emulate mickey-dickey-ware on my linuxbox? To get games work? Not going to happen.    I'm aware that at the present not all of my favourite games will work in linux but it's the price I will pay gladly for not being fooled by m$.

If winex gets much ground we may end up with no linux ports at all when publishers say "what..a linux port?.. well.. use winex, We've heard our product is fine with it." Emulation!=native port

Have you guys and gals read about this notorious licencing scheme around transgaming and winex?

choasforages:
hehehe, games arn't the answer. high end apps like photoshop/*or if gimp get wayy better, hell, howabout a wine hack taht lets you use photoshop plugins?*/ illustrator, and a few others. i think its going to be after 2.6 stabilizes that lots of stuff gets ported, cuase if you develop, you would have had to heard about alsa and oss, and the switch thats going on. they are not going to dev for a moving target, only the makers of wine do that./*or any other win32 developer*/
on the subject, is there any alsa native version of quake3, or way to enable it?

Scotty:

quote:Originally posted by choasforages:
hehehe, games arn't the answer. high end apps like photoshop/*or if gimp get wayy better, hell, howabout a wine hack taht lets you use photoshop plugins?*/ illustrator, and a few others.
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Very true indeed. Photoshop, CAD-proggies and other stuff are crucial what it comes to GNU/linux desktop. In that point of view, wine is utilizable.

Calum:
because the wine and winex things are games oriented, they will never be taken as seriously as they need to be in order for them to take part in the future win -> linux revolution.

gamers will not settle for second best. Say for instance that 15% of the computer users used linux, just for arguments' sake. also, say winex is pretty damn good. then imagine that 20% of game manufacturers make native linux versions as well as windows/mac versions and 80% of game manufacturers make only non-linux versions because they feel that people will run their program in winex.

the 20% who make linuc games will get more money once everybody compares their frame rates. people will see that performance goes down noticably in an emulator and they will say '20% of you make linux native games with relative ease, why are the other 80% of you dragging your heels?'

the other side of the coin is that for all other applications (CAD, sound and so on and so on) the wine projects are much worse than they are for gaming. i don't know why this is, but it seems to be the case from what i hear. the failings of games on the wine platform (as mentioned above) might have been overlooked if wine could run other windows applications well, but since it doesn't much of the time, and since there are many viable alternatives (and will be even better ones by the time it becomes a crucial market factor) there is little to no point of wine hanging around. The walls are closing in on it from both sides and while i think it should try to stay alive for as long as possible, i think it's doomed in the end.

the crest of the revolutory hill has yet to be crossed, but i think that what with the amount of momentum that the open source movement has, it will definitely be crossed at some point.

i agree with void main's inspiring words back up the page.

lazygamer:
Sounds like shortterm pain for longterm gain.

Wouldnt native Linux games happen anyways? Two years down the road Linux will be even more popular. Suppose Wine/WineX does a really great job then, how do you know native development won't happen? What if Linux means higher framerates over the native windows version(and especially over the Wine version), in addition to less bugs and more stability in the game. This, combined with Linux eventually being too widespread, should cause native Linux game development no matter how good Wine is.

It is shortsighted to point the finger at Wine over Windows games. That indicates it being used for recent games. Consider all the excellent native windows games out there. Then consider all the DOS games out there, great dos games, that W95 could run GREAT more often then not. So if you emulate W95, you get proper wind0ze compatibility and proper DOS compatibility. Both of these areas XP sucks at.

Just imagine the selling point:My non-windows OS is far more compatible with older windows programs and DOS programs, then your XP is or ever will be.

It may be sort of true. What if Wine simply keeps having too much trouble with very recent or future games, and MS really is altering stuff to throw Wine a curveball? So if it is proven that Wine simply cannot keep up with the newest games, perhaps native Linux development would be more favorable.

Perhaps Wine could keep both camps happy, so they work on better past and current compatibility, while sacrificing near-future compatibility(giving companies a reason to make stuff for Linux).

@calum:No offense, but WTF?! What do you mean Wine is doomed, walls are closing in etc.
What proof do you have?

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