Another MSBS EULA clause

[mobrien_12]

Here is a direct quote from the latest w98 security patch.

* You may not disclose the results of any benchmark test of the .NET Framework component of the OS Components to any third party without Microsoft

[SpeeDFreaK]

Wasn't network associates busted down for doing this? This kind of crap is why you should read before clicking yes.

[badkarma]

I'm not a lawyer but I seriously doubt this will hold up in court in my country, we still have a little thing called "free speech" which covers this pretty well I guess .....

[TB]

The fact is M$ is able to get away with outrageous shit like this for two main reasons:

1. Lawmakers are EONS behind in developing any sort of legislation to protect computer user's rights (if anything, lawmakers are eager to DESTROY the rights of users and non-M$ developers alike)

and more importantly;

2. Exactly how many people actually READ the EULA??? My guess would be less than 10%, and that's being pretty generous IMO.

Plus a third point one could raise is that there aren't any restrictions (to my knowledge) as to what can be imposed upon users in the EULA. Who can forget the restrictions Adobe imposed upon users with the e-book product Glassbook they released which included:

Copy:
No text selections can be copied from the book to the clipboard.
Print:
No printing is permitted of this book.
Lend:
This book cannot be lent or given to someone else.
Give:
This book cannot be given to someone else.
Read Aloud:
This book cannot be read aloud.

And keep in mind this is for literature which can be found for FREE through mediums such as Project Gutenberg.

[ July 09, 2002: Message edited by: TB ]

[neo_x500]

By clicking yes, do we give up those rights, or is the contract void because it interfers with our first amendment??? I wonder if anyone could file a lawsuit over EULA. It all has a lot of bs in it, like one part of it kind of indirectly says that we don't own the windows software we had bought, microsoft just simply gives us permission to use it. If we violate it by say installing 98 on two computers with the same CD, they can, if they find out about it, take away our right to use it. I guess they actually found a way to enforce they rule in XP though. Windows sucks, They need a virtual windex to clean the dirt and streaks of the bull shit OS

[slave]

Only whiny Linux heads such as yourselves would find anything bad to say about .NET anyway.

[voidmain]

Ok Mr. Balmer.  You can go back in your hole now...

[TB]

Actually anybody who actually has some sort of mental strength and capacity for independent thought (unlike many americans and M$ users) would point out the multitude of security flaws that are the hallmark of M$. Although one would think such people are not worthy of redemption, it is now simply a survival issue (survival from the tyranny of evill corporations, that is).

[foobar]

quote:Originally posted by BadKarma:
I'm not a lawyer but I seriously doubt this will hold up in court in my country, we still have a little thing called "free speech" which covers this pretty well I guess .....

Yeah ... but as well in the US, or am i wrong ?
This reminds me of a law we have in holland as well, because we have the social security sytem (everyone can get money from the state), that it is forbidden to beg (e.g. for money)
without doing something in return.
One day, a friend of mine went to a big shopping mall. (Utrecht: Hoog Catharijne)
He wanted to do some one-hand handstands, so he placed his beanie off his head and on the ground.
People actually threw money in it while passing by. He made about a euro  

[beltorak0]

I downloaded the old ".doc" about who windows servers cost less to maintain than UNIX / *NIX servers; and guess what... I can't post it:
 

quote:
Without limiting the rights under copyright,
no part of this document may be reproduced,
stored in or introduced into a retrieval system,
or transmitted in any form or by any means
(electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording,
or otherwise), or for any purpose, without the
express written permission of Microsoft Corporation.

 http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/interop/unixmgrtn.asp

-t.

(AbiWord opens ".doc" files!!! yeah!)

[ July 21, 2002: Message edited by: beltorak0]

[ July 21, 2002: Message edited by: beltorak0 ]

[voidmain]

I would say by posting the copyright message you have just violated the copyright. In fact you couldn't legally use Internet Explorer to view the document since it will store the document in your local internet spy cache on your computer. How about if you save the document as text, delete the copyright message and give it to your friend and have him post it.  He will not have violated the copyright because it was not there for him to read. But since Ballmer has already fessed up that the document is FUD then I would guess that the copyright is also FUD, and everything else that comes out of Microsoft Press is FUD.

[ July 21, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]

[Calum]

i don't have a first amendment to be violated by M$, does this mean their bullshit contract is legal to enforce on me? OR... does it mean that their contract is null and void since i am not even in their country. I suppose m$ would have closed this loophole, but why then do they leave themselves open to such rubbish as this? take that reading aloud thing from adobe, mentioned above, eh? don't they read these? who thinks these things will stand up?

[KernelPanic]

Go live in Sealand no stupid law can bother you there  

[DC]

quote:Originally posted by VoidMain:
How about if you save the document as text, delete the copyright message and give it to your friend and have him post it.  He will not have violated the copyright because it was not there for him to read.

Err, just because there isn't a notice doesn't mean that there is no copyright. Your friend (as well as yourself) *will* violate the copyright if you do this.

Actually, it's illegal to reproduce anything unless the author gives you permission to distribute it - there is no need for him to explicitly remove those rights (most ppl don't care about this, but if you - for example - copy/paste this text to another forum, I could sue you for it (not that I'd do that)).

Hey - this is funny - this is stored in the temporary internet files of some of you, isn't it? I didn't give permission for that - that means *someone* violated my copyright. But who - you guys, or MS (it's a MS product that causes it)? Interesting question  

[ July 22, 2002: Message edited by: DC ]

[choasmaster]

i love sealand, the only thing they ban i kiddie porn, and that should be banned. i would love to work there, they offer window nt4 and win2k but say that you should use unix instead, i would love to get redhat certified and work there omg