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bubaslubas:
Hey gaywhatever!
Funny: of all the Linux drivers I've searched for my new Mandrake were conversions of Windows drivers (especially modem drivers)... And most of them had limitations compared to their Win "fathers".
Even funnier, I didn't need ANY drivers for my hardware in XP (ANY!)... And it came running Me, not XP.
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Okay, let's get this "who stole what from who" thing sorted out.
Apple has stolen things from Windows, but they by all means should learn from their competitor.
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Thank you for noticing that the "ripping-off" issue was long due in this debate and for reclosing it yourself.
The hords are closing in, I see...
voidmain:
quote:Originally posted by bubaslubas:
I'm just stating that you simply can't say that XP is a shitty OS when it's a whole lot better than I-don't-wan't-to-support-this-modem, I-didn't-know-that-monitors-with-resolutions-of-1600x1200-existed Linux...
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I can see you've never used Linux, or at least made a feeble attempt at it. I just press <CTRL><ALT><KP+> and cycle through over 20 graphics modes (including 1600x1200) on my machine with a GeForce II and a 21" monitor. And it does run Doom* and Quake* far better than my Win* boxes. I personally think my graphics on my Linux box are far superior to the Microsoft shit (of which I have more experience with than probably over 99.9% of MS users).
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I am not behind Microsoft's policies, but I am certainly behind what seems to be a very good product...XP.
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That's your right. I don't agree but it's your right. Like I said, as soon as they put a *real* OS under that nice shiny interface, I'm all with ya. Now that Apple's done it, they just might. Naw, they don't want to play with others.
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I DO care a LOT about the graphical interface of my OS (thank Apple for Mac OS because pre-XP versions of Win were pure vomit)- it's a regular tendency among non-geek users.
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I'm happy for you. Press on.
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OK, so what's an OS about? Command-line scripting? App developing?
You tend to emphasize Linux's best features; I tend to do the same with Windows'.
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Maybe you should look up the definition of "Operating System". Microsoft would like you to believe it's a lot more than what it is to extend their monopoly.
See: http://webopedia.lycos.com/TERM/o/operating_system.html
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How about this: I write that desktop publishing suite and you develop a safe web server for windows. I bet both tasks would be utterly impossible... :D
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In order to write a safe browser you need to have a safe operating system. If Microsoft does what Mac did, and make it open source I will give you a safe browser.
[ December 18, 2001: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
voidmain:
quote:Originally posted by bubaslubas:
Funny: of all the Linux drivers I've searched for my new Mandrake were conversions of Windows drivers (especially modem drivers)... And most of them had limitations compared to their Win "fathers".
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Heh heh, this is funny stuff...
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Even funnier, I didn't need ANY drivers for my hardware in XP (ANY!)... And it came running Me, not XP.
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This is *extremely* funny. You're telling me you are accessing all of your hardware without any device drivers? I got news for you. You ain't accessing *any* of your hardware without device drivers. Just so happens XPee is right out the door so it has all the current stuff included but wait 6 months and lets cover this topic again.
gump420:
quote:Originally posted by bubaslubas:
Hey gaywhatever!
Funny: of all the Linux drivers I've searched for my new Mandrake were conversions of Windows drivers (especially modem drivers)... And most of them had limitations compared to their Win "fathers".
Even funnier, I didn't need ANY drivers for my hardware in XP (ANY!)... And it came running Me, not XP.
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I have to agree with VoidMain. It is rather amusing how far you have missed the mark. However, for your information, I will briefly explain the joke.
First, I hate to disappoint you, but it is impossible to create "conversions of Windows drivers" for Linux. If it WAS possible, then there wouldn't _be_ a driver problem for Linux, since people would just magically convert the driver from Win to Linux and everything would be hunky-dorey.
Second, you seem to be under the false impression that you are running Windows without drivers. Go to your System control panel and look at the Device Manager. Every single entry in the Device Manager represents a unique driver. As I was attempting to explain in my prior post, these drivers are collected by M$ and included on the Windows CD; rest assured, however, that they were at most tweaked by Microshaft, not written by them.
Calum:
this bubaslubass guy is really good! why doesn't she or he get a job as a stand up comedian?
My post isn't full of technical bullshit, i am 'only' a lowly user, and have had limited experience of M$ alternatives, but i have had a chance to use many versions of Windows, and what a heap of shit it really is. there's no argument. you guya are doing really well to be arguing about this because there is really no large issue to dispute. Windows is slow and cruddy. it allocates all its system resources at bootup time and plods through muck until shutdown time or until a crash, whichever comes first (guess which happens most often to me?) and as for drivers, as already mentioned, the hardware manufacturers are responsible for it, but they often only write windows drivers. My mitsubishi electric cdrw has had a driver problem recently, i went to their website and they have full driver support for 4 versions of windows, and nothing for anything else. It's a usb device so you'd think they'd at least have a Mac driver.
well, i haven't got a Mac so i don't know but what i'm saying is these drivers are often a steaming pile of poo themselves, or is it just windows' handling of the drivers who can tell. With said device i thought it was the drivers till i discovered that to fix the problem, i needed to change the swap file size using control panel, and hey presto working like clockwork.
Because windows fills up all the ram with crap, it uses the ultra slow swap file instead you see, so that you get a lot of buffer problems and read/write errors etc. by reducing the swap file size, it makes windows panic and empty out some of the crap in the ram, or so i understand.
Anyway, i've rambled off a bit but what i'm saying is that manufacturers try to lick windows' bollocks and microsoft, when it receives a particularly lucrative backhander, kisses the ass of those manufacturers in turn. With Linux, the guys using the system have got to write and distribute their own drivers! In their spare time! Can you imagine the usual drool-chinned M$ butthead doing that? Try hard. No? i didn't think so.
These 'my computer works fine with windows' morons have no concept of why their computer works at all or what goes into making a system. As we've seen already, many of these so called OS criticisms are actually criticisms of proprietary software running on those OSs and much of the reason windows works fine is actually due to workarounds that other companies have developed to make windows WORK. (i always thought that 'MS Works was an oxymoron, much like many MS users now i think of it...) I have to use one program to clear the ram when windows fills it up with goo, another to stop windows opening those mysterious background programs that write to the hard drive when you're trying to run scandisk et c et c.
Right. well, that's it. to sum up, i'm a no code non programmer user and even i know that M$ software is a pile of crap produced solely to make money and anybody that says otherwise has been brainwashed, is getting some of the revenue concerned, or has never made any serious enquiry outside the M$ camp.
End of missive, commence flaming now.... ;)
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