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voidmain:
quote:Originally posted by Calum:
and as for drivers, as already mentioned, the hardware manufacturers are responsible for it, but they often only write windows drivers. My mitsubishi electric cdrw has had a driver problem recently, i went to their website and they have full driver support for 4 versions of windows, and nothing for anything else.
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Thanks, you just sparked another thought. And BubbleAss, usually drivers supplied for Linux by hardware manufacturers are far superior to the Windows drivers. Now how can that be you say? A hardware driver has to interface with the kernel and it sure as hell is a lot easier to write a driver when you have the *source* code for said kernel.
As for the other scum manufacturers that do not supply drivers, thats ok too because there are plenty of good programmers out there that will write the drivers and donate them to the cause. More and more manufacturers are getting on the boat every day though which gives me much pleasure.
[ December 18, 2001: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
bubaslubas:
Hell, the hords DID came to the rescue...
I'm terribly sorry for thinking that your geek-ass brain would need no 6-year old explanation about the drivers... What I OBVIOUSLY meant was that XP didn't need any outside drivers, it used the ones that came with it...Right? Good.
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I just press <CTRL><ALT><KP+> and cycle through over 20 graphics modes (including 1600x1200) on my machine with a GeForce II and a 21" monitor.
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You press what??? How many hands have you got?
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Maybe you should look up the definition of "Operating System". Microsoft would like you to believe it's a lot more than what it is to extend their monopoly.
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Thanks for the link. Read this:
Every general-purpose computer must have an operating system to run other programs. Operating systems perform basic tasks, such as recognizing input from the keyboard, sending output to the display screen, keeping track of files and directories on the disk, and controlling peripheral devices such as disk drives and printers.
Does the bold part remember Windows? Yes, it has problems in that issue. Does it remember Linux? Yes, it almost doesn't do that! Get my point?
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If Microsoft does what Mac did, and make it open source I will give you a safe browser.
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OK, when there's a Linux version that doesn't require the reading of 700 books just to run it in graphical mode, I'll try to make something out of it too. We have a deal.
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Just so happens XPee is right out the door so it has all the current stuff included but wait 6 months and lets cover this topic again.
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Bill would be proud of you! It has all the current stuff included... For once, you're right.
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First, I hate to disappoint you, but it is impossible to create "conversions of Windows drivers" for Linux. If it WAS possible, then there wouldn't _be_ a driver problem for Linux, since people would just magically convert the driver from Win to Linux and everything would be hunky-dorey.
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Ever heard of "linmodems" or Rockwell RPI? My HSP drivers are "written" from the Win version... (at least that's what it says in the readme)
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you guya are doing really well to be arguing about this because there is really no large issue to dispute.
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Thank you for your appraisal. I'm just sorry that my arguments will fall short soon, since your "army" has been increasing...
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It's a usb device so you'd think they'd at least have a Mac driver.
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Apple is currently pushing hard towards Firewire, USB belongs to the past. It's shitty and it's slow (and M$ thinks it's where the future lays - sheesh.)
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by reducing the swap file size, it makes windows panic and empty out some of the crap in the ram, or so i understand.
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It's not their fault if you have a shitty computer... My Mac OS X sure takes up a lot more page file than my XP...
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Anyway, i've rambled off a bit but what i'm saying is that manufacturers try to lick windows' bollocks and microsoft, when it receives a particularly lucrative backhander, kisses the ass of those manufacturers in turn.
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Well, what did you expect??? Greed is good, they say. Greed works. It sucks but that's just the way it is.
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These 'my computer works fine with windows' morons have no concept of why their computer works at all or what goes into making a system.
...and have had limited experience of M$ alternatives,...
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If you don't know what you're talking about, then shut the fuck up. I'm sick and tired of being disturbed by mentally retarded who hate Windows just because it's Windows...
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With Linux, the guys using the system have got to write and distribute their own drivers! In their spare time!
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I respect a lot the work that has been put into making Linux and I do feel that it will be a very good alternative to Windows...as soon as it stops being developed BY geeks FOR geeks.
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...much of the reason windows works fine...
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Shit, Bill would be so glad to hear you guys!
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And BubbleAss, usually drivers supplied for Linux by hardware manufacturers are far superior to the Windows drivers. Now how can that be you say? A hardware driver has to interface with the kernel and it sure as hell is a lot easier to write a driver when you have the *source* code for said kernel.
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Really? Then why does half my hardware have different model names under linux or just don't work at all? :confused:
Bottom line: XP is OK. Try it sometime. It may not be as good as OS X, but it's worth a try.
[ December 18, 2001: Message edited by: bubaslubas ]
[ December 18, 2001: Message edited by: bubaslubas ]
voidmain:
quote:Originally posted by bubaslubas:
Really? Then why does half my hardware have different model names under linux or just don't work at all? :confused:
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I don't know where you buy your hardware (maybe from Microsoft?) but I just built a brand new machine, 1.6Ghz Athalon, Soyo Dragon+ MB, 512MB, 40GB, GeForce w/64MB. Stuck the RedHat 7.2 CD in and slightly over 10 minutes I had a completely installed and configured system, with only a single reboot (and that was only to bootstrap the kernel from the HD rather than the CD), all hardware detected without a problem. It's been up and running ever since. And I didn't once look at any Linux hardware compatability list before buying the equipment (although it would be recommended).
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Bottom line: XP is OK. Try it sometime. It may not be as good as OS X, but it's worth a try.
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Unfortunately I have to provide 4th level support for this garbage so don't tell me to try it...
[ December 18, 2001: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
voidmain:
Oh, and BTW, <CTRL><ALT><KP+> is exactly the same number of keys it takes to make a Win machine useful, 3. I mean "Keypad +" when I say <KP+>. And it's a lot more convenient than clicking your way though the desktop settings or right clicking on your background and going through the menus. Why the hell should I take my hands off the keyboard for crap like this?
And I'm certainly not asking for anyone's help in giving you shit. Maybe you should wonder why no one has come to your aid on this one. It's because you make not one ounce of sense. It's almost like your lips are pasted on your ass because that's where you're talking from.
[ December 18, 2001: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
gump420:
quote:What I OBVIOUSLY meant was that XP didn't need any outside drivers, it used the ones that came with it...Right? Good.
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And what I OBVIOUSLY meant (since it's exactly what I said) is that Macroshaft doesn't write those drivers. They just collect them and bundle them with Winblows. God, how stupid are you?
quote:. . . and controlling peripheral devices such as disk drives and printers.
Does the bold part remember Windows? Yes, it has problems in that issue. Does it remember Linux? Yes, it almost doesn't do that! Get my point?
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You really have no fucking clue, do you? Okay, let's go back to square one just ANOTHER FUCKING TIME FOR YOU, YOU FUCKING MORON. An operating system doesn't directly talk to the hardware; it uses a third party program called a "driver" to do that. If you understood one fucking thing about OSes than maybe you wouldn't have to find some retarded anonymous source to back up your claim.
quote:Apple is currently pushing hard towards Firewire, USB belongs to the past. It's shitty and it's slow (and M$ thinks it's where the future lays - sheesh.)
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Please let me know what a misinformed statement like this has to do with the debate at hand???
quote:If you don't know what you're talking about, then shut the fuck up.
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Since you've proven over and over again that you don't know what you're talking about will you please follow your own advice and shut the fuck up!!!
quote:Bottom line: XP is OK. Try it sometime. It may not be as good as OS X, but it's worth a try.
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This may surprise you, but I have tried XP. I spent quite a lot of time familiarizing myself with the piece of shit before deciding it wasn't worth it. The interface sucks, and is just a skin for Windows NT in any case. It still crashes (mine crashed the first night I was running it). It bundles in a bunch of low-quality software in an attempt to extend M$'s monopolies and also to push Passport services down your throat.
In short, same old shit from the same old source. Nothing exciting. No deep rooted changes to make the system better; just Winblows NT 5.1 with a shiny interface. And it even has an added security hole that is actually pretty serious; without going into details I can say Windows XP going to market is like a huge party for malicious hackers who want to anonymously attack people.
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