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bubaslubas:
It seems that gay420 is suffering from some sort of hallucination... First, "Windows works just fine", then "Windows is a piece of crap"...
"I haven't had much contact with Windows", then "I've spent quite a lot of time with Windows"...
What's it gonna be, shitface? It's the extremism of schizo-paranoid fucks like yourself that leads me to start these debates, but I find your speech to lack the discerniment needed in order to carry on a decent conversation. Your sistematic contradicting (not to mention the fact that it seems I have to explain everything I write to you, leading me to think that you ARE in fact a 6-year old having trouble with English classes) gives me no encouragement to proceed with this debate. And as for the driver issue, don't you think that having drivers bundled with your OS is a good thing? So what if they're collected and not written? All I know is that XP recognized every little piece of hardware on my computer (it's brandless, nobody buys brand computers here in Portugal, except Macs. AND Windows is rarely OEM, the shops just stick it in with no license and that's it - I usually don't buy off the big commercial surfaces, i prefer the small shops). Mandrake, however, is still not functioning after 2 days. Is Windows for stupid people just because it's easier to install and use? Well, Macs must be for the mentally challenged then! You sound like those asses who wander the net saying "Real men use DOS!".
As for you, VoidMain, who are right about some of the stuff you say, but you insist in analyzing stuff from a geek point of view - I want something that REALLY is easy to use, not something made by programmers to programmers. Linux hardware support is feeble, Linux apps are feeble, Linux easiness to use doesn't exist. You say that's not the job of an OS. I reply saying that I'm glad XP and OS X go beyond what you call "an OS" and are really capable of providing assistance to the user. Even BeOS (which I ran for about 2 months) seemed a lot more developed than the 2 versions of Linux I've layed my eyes on (can't speak about the others, sorry. I hear the SuSE distribution is rather good, though.).
But it has been a pleasure chatting with you, you certainly know a lot about computers and OSs (I'm certain that the feeling isn't mutual )
Just one more thing, gay420:
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Please let me know what a misinformed statement like this has to do with the debate at hand???
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I believe this shows rather well your lack of good-sense - this was a commentary and a critic to M$, but that little onion you call a brain isn't capable of percieving that sticking up for XP doesn't mean you actually are a M$ fan... It doesn't even mean you're a Windows fan. XP has its issues (like all OSs), XP has its limitations, but as I have said before, "It's a darn good try". Have you still not understood that my preference goes toward OS X by far?
Learn to debate for ideias and opinions, rather than insulting and thrashing your adversaries just for being that, you brat.
[ December 18, 2001: Message edited by: bubaslubas ]
gump420:
quote:Originally posted by bubaslubas:
It seems that gay420 is suffering from some sort of hallucination... First, "Windows works just fine", then "Windows is a piece of crap"...
"I haven't had much contact with Windows", then "I've spent quite a lot of time with Windows"...
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Seeing as I have maintained that Windows sucks ass in every post on this thread, I really don't know what the fuck you're talking about here.
quote:What's it gonna be, shitface? It's the extremism of schizo-paranoid fucks like yourself that leads me to start these debates, but I find your speech to lack the discerniment needed in order to carry on a decent conversation.
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All nice and well, coming from the man who was retarded enough to post a pro-Microsoft post on a site called FuckMicrosoft.com. Moron.
quote:Your sistematic contradicting (not to mention the fact that it seems I have to explain everything I write to you, leading me to think that you ARE in fact a 6-year old having trouble with English classes) gives me no encouragement to proceed with this debate.
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Perhaps you mean "systematic contradictions"? Maybe you should check your own use of the English language before you start criticizing soembody else, you illeterate dumbass.
quote:And as for the driver issue, don't you think that having drivers bundled with your OS is a good thing? So what if they're collected and not written? All I know is that XP recognized every little piece of hardware on my computer (it's brandless, nobody buys brand computers here in Portugal, except Macs. AND Windows is rarely OEM, the shops just stick it in with no license and that's it - I usually don't buy off the big commercial surfaces, i prefer the small shops). Mandrake, however, is still not functioning after 2 days.
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Perhaps if you had your head screwed on right you wouldn't have missed the entire point in the debate about drivers. However, since you obviously HAVE missed the point once again, I shall attempt to spell it out for you. Drivers are not part of the OS; they are a third-party program that the OS uses. So the fact that Windows has more drivers is irrelevant to the quality of that OS versus other operating systems.
quote:Is Windows for stupid people just because it's easier to install and use?
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Actually, yes, Windows is ideally suited for stupid people.
quote:Well, Macs must be for the mentally challenged then! You sound like those asses who wander the net saying "Real men use DOS!".
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Once again you have gone off the deep end. Macs are easy to use, but they do the user the credit of not assuming that he or she is a complete fucking moron. And Mac OS X is not for the faint of heart, either; it's easy enough to install and use, but it is not very easy when it comes to configuration or driver problems.
quote:"Please let me know what a misinformed statement like this has to do with the debate at hand???"
I believe this shows rather well your lack of good-sense - this was a commentary and a critic to M$, but that little onion you call a brain isn't capable of percieving that sticking up for XP doesn't mean you actually are a M$ fan... It doesn't even mean you're a Windows fan. XP has its issues (like all OSs), XP has its limitations, but as I have said before, "It's a darn good try". Have you still not understood that my preference goes toward OS X by far?
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If somebody with a brain were to analyze the comment of yours that I was replying to above, they would see that you were bashing Apple for trying to get rid of USB, something that is preposterous given the fact that Apple continues to include USB ports on all of their machines and has not voiced any plans to discontinue support for the protocol.
quote:Learn to debate for ideias and opinions, rather than insulting and thrashing your adversaries just for being that, you brat.
[ December 18, 2001: Message edited by: bubaslubas ]
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Well, really, considering the your tone in your last message that is a rather ironic parting shot. In any case, I much prefer insulting ignoramuses like yourself; it's just too hard to resist having fun at the expense of idiots.
Windows XP is NOT a new OS; it is Windows 2000 with improved compatibility and a shiny interface, no more or less. Unfortunately, it isn't even as stable as Win2K, though. The real story behind XP goes far beyond the stability or compatibility; it includes the way M$ is further breaking the law by tying half a dozen new programs to Windows XP and not allowing you the option of uninstalling them; it includes the way Passport is integrated into the OS and the invasion of privacy known as Windows Product Activation; it also includes M$'s .NET venture, or in other words, M$'s attempt to take over the internet (Windows XP was supposed to be called Windows.NET until they couldn't resist trying to copy Mac OS X's name). And in case you miss the danger in that, realize that if Bill Gates managed to make the internet proprietary (i.e. you would have to go through M$ in some way in order to reach it) he would become more powerful than the leader of any nation. It's already bad enough having an evil man like him in a position that may very well be unstoppable, but if he could control free speech itself he might as well declare himself emporer and be done with it.
You see, what may on the surface appear to be angst against Microsoft and jealousy of Bill Gate's money actually has nothing to do with these things. Why do I hate Bill Gates and Microsoft? Because they have no qualms about breaking the law to extend their power. Because they intentionally put shitty products on the market so they can keep tempting people with upgrades. Because they kill off open standards and replace them with proprietary substitutes that are only half as functional. Because Bill Gates is the anethema to the open exchange of information, for he wants to be able to be the gatekeeper to that exchange with the power to tax or even control it. The man stopped thirsting for wealth a long time ago, back when he became the wealthiest man alive; now he thirsts for power.
voidmain:
quote:Originally posted by bubaslubas:
I want something that REALLY is easy to use,
not something made by programmers to programmers. Linux hardware support is feeble,
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Like I said, use your MS products and be happy.
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Linux apps are feeble, Linux easiness to use doesn't exist.
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Linux is *much* easier to use for what I do. And apparently Win* must not be that easy to use or the "Video Professor" would be out of business.. I saw his ugly ass on TV last night so he still must be in business.
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You say that's not the job of an OS. I reply saying that I'm glad XP and OS X go beyond what you call "an OS" and are really capable of providing assistance to the user.
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Not *once* did I say drivers were not part of an OS, they are one of the *key* components next to the kernel. If you could read I said "Microsoft would like you to think that an OS is more than it is" in order to extend their monopoly. A web browser has *NO* place being part of the operating system. It is an application, not an integral part of an OS. Microsoft's attempts at making it part of the OS has caused their OS to be even much less secure than it was before. And I suppose that Movie Maker shit is part of the "OS" too right? No, it's a freakin' application but they include it and try and make it so it's difficult to use something else so as to put other companies out of business. The "GUI" should not be part of the OS and because Microsoft has tried so hard to *make* it part of the OS you only have one choice for a GUI on MS. In fact you can't even shut the GUI down if you never need to use it (i.e. on servers) which means it just sits there and eats up memory and CPU. Sure their GUI is pretty good. I will admit that, just wish they had a better, more stable, more reliable *OS* underneath that GUI.
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But it has been a pleasure chatting with you, you certainly know a lot about computers and OSs (I'm certain that the feeling isn't mutual )
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And I certainly have nothing against you personally. It's actually a good debate and if nothing else it will spark people to do some investigation and decide for themselves. The shit throwing is for pure amusement.
At least you have made an "attempt" at trying something different and if it's not for you that is great. The problem I have is that if Microsoft had their way, we would have no choice and that is *baaaaaaaad*. At least for me because I prefer *NIX.
gump420:
quote:Originally posted by VoidMain:
The shit throwing is for pure amusement.
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Ditto.
quote:At least you have made an "attempt" at trying something different and if it's not for you that is great. The problem I have is that if Microsoft had their way, we would have no choice and that is *baaaaaaaad*. At least for me because I prefer *NIX.
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I couldn't agree more.
Calum:
quote:It's not their fault if you have a shitty computer... My Mac OS X sure takes up a lot more page file than my XP...
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Well, excuuuuuuuuse me for breathing. Actually, whilst my computer is not by any stretch of the imagination the best in the world, It's not the worst, and many of my peers are using stuff much more 'inferior' than my computer. For the record i have an 850 Mhz intel P3 CPU, 128 Mb of RAM, 8 Mb of which gets hijacked by the SiS graphics card, a generic sound card which is usually SB compatible, on an ASUS motherboard. The clock speed actually runs at 900 Mhz. Not that it's really any of yr business. Anyway, clock speed is next to worthless as a judge of processing power, but that's another argument. Which i'll be quite happy to have if somebody would like to start a topic about it (maybe they already have).
The fact is that Windows is actually fucked. Sorry. I know it hurts yr feelings but my computer isn't shit. I mean come on and post a reply about how yr one runs at 1500 Mhz and has 256Mb of RAM, but you are compounding the ludicrousness of yr argument.
If a machine needs all that crap to run Windows then it really isn't fulfilling it's function as a traffic cop, making sure all the programs do what they need to without getting in each other's way. Or whatever that definition said.
I mean there are tons of computers out there, probably the majority, which are less than the cutting edge and still have 133 Mhz processors et c. These machines (i am told) will run windows much happilier than a huge lumbering version of windows. I suppose you could load up Windows 3 and have a true 'vintage' experience on yr 'shitty' computer, but what's the point when you can fire up a truly up to date OS and you're away?
What i'm saying is this. Nice attempt at shit flinging, mate, but my computer's not shit. I can't seriously imagine that you are suggesting everybody update their computer's innards every time somebody brings out a new chip at 100 Mhz faster or whatever. In my case it would be doubly irritating since it's a F***ing laptop. and THAT'S another argument too. Ah well, save some arguing for another day, eh?
Why don't you start up yr own website called FuckFuckMicrosoft.com ? :D
No hard feelings, i am sure you get a lot of comfort on those cold nights, while you wait for windows to start up, just knowing that Bill Gates has yourinterests at heart.
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