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« Reply #60 on: 13 March 2002, 21:19 »
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« Reply #61 on: 13 March 2002, 13:52 »
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Originally posted by X11:
CALUM...

You are just yet another Microsoft Loveing idiot.

Oh really, dumbass? did you get your 'friend' to read this to you? you obviously can't read or you would have noticed from ALL MY OTHER POSTS ALL OVER THESE FORUMS that i am in no way a "Microsoft Loveing idiot". (i suppose your 'friend' spelt that for you as well?) I was going to let you off easy since you are obviously a complete message board dickhead, and don't know any better but then you go and say:
 
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[[email protected]] /var/www/html/ #ls
Culumisgay.html index.html picsofcalumsmum.html
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That is my example YOU ONLY NEED A SHELL!!!


Wow, good example.
Tell me, do you have any real friends? or do you just hang around with other dumbasses so you can all take a turn at the braincell?
What possessed you to type this is beyond me. I am totally unmoved and am only replying to let you know how much of a dicksplash i think you really are. next step is for you to tell VoidMain that he blows goats off, and maybe you could tell the webmaster he's a toadying slimebag. That would prove to everybody how great you are, one of us and all that bullshit.
Here's another gem:
 
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At first microsoft made a
rip-off of CP/M hence, DOS

A small point this may be, but if you are going to post here trying to show off with your flashy "knowledge", make sure it isn't the heap of bullshit that this supposed "fact" is. M$ did not 'make' DOS, they BOUGHT it. Just like M$ do with everything. They secured a big licensing deal with IBM, saying they had an operating system, when they didn't, then they nipped out afterwards and BOUGHT the operating system for peanuts once they knew that the money was in the bag. Just a word of advice, SHUT UP when you talk to me.

I can't even be bothered to come up with more than a halfway witty retort to this piece of nonsense, so what i suggest, so called "X11", is for you to piss off back to your all night AOL chatrooms, telling people what a cool 'hacker' you are, and trying to get women to 'PM' you. Good luck, fucktard...

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« Reply #62 on: 15 March 2002, 07:15 »
Cmon guys, I could go through all of these posts and knock tham all down.

Apple sucks. It is inferior to IBM clone products. Only die hard, afraid to let go of what they know people still use them.

M$ is not a monopoly. There cannot be a monopoly when no other company is really trying to make better products. Linux doesnt count cuz its free.

If there was another OS that everyone used, dont you think there would be more viruses for it? Yes, there are viruses for Linux. There arent more cuz of the little effect they would have. But there would be more if every used it.

Dont even bring up Netscape. Its as usless as AOL.

Look, I enjoy taking pot shots at the stupid way MS has put together its OS, but cmon, dont give stupid reasons for not wanting to use it.....
Oh yeah, turn off the idiot box. Can you say propaganda.....

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« Reply #63 on: 15 March 2002, 08:46 »
Ok splotch, show us the Linux viru. Where are they?
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« Reply #64 on: 15 March 2002, 21:34 »
Linux virus. easy.

Try searching Google maybe.

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« Reply #65 on: 15 March 2002, 21:51 »
I could only find one or two of what could be considered a virus. (Almost all of those hits in Google point to the same one or two). And could you kindly explain how I would be able to get a virus in Linux? My email program will not automatically execute a program, and even if it does, what's it going to do?  It can't modify any system files. I've been trying for 10 years and still haven't seen one. There are no binary executables that my userid has permissions to modify. It can't run through my personal email list and send itself to my friends. So can you explain to me why I should be concerned and how you can even consider it a virus?

And this guy has publicly challenged anyone on the net to infect his system with a virus: http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/anti-virus.php3

It's also interesting that I had to install Linux servers in front of our exchange servers to keep Windows viruses from entering the exchange servers, and on to our users. And believe me, the Exchange servers are soon to be replaced with Linux servers (they were installed prior to my arrival).

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« Reply #66 on: 15 March 2002, 10:15 »
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Apple sucks. It is inferior to IBM clone products. Only die hard, afraid to let go of what they know people still use them.


I have yet to see someone prove this to me. I mean seriously, do you know what you are talking about, or are you just trolling for the Mac fans?

Maybe the Film Industry, Education, and Publishing are narowminded industries that are afraid to let go of what they know, but I don't think so/

This is a load of crap, Apple's are comparable to IBM clones in more ways than one and have a few advantages over them which I have discused elsewere. And I, and many other Mac users, are not die hard let go what they know blah blah blah... alot of us are people who got sick of Bill Gates putting his dick in our ass and switched over to a decent platform/OS.

And what the hell do you mean M$ is not a monopoly? Jesus, they are only out to control the desktop computer market and the internet experience. They just go around stealing/buying up/ extorting other companies good ideas and passing them off as their own, in the interest of dominating their market and controling peoples CHOICE!! No not a monopoly, a fucking cancer!

Since when has M$ made a serious attempt at making a better product?! Honestly, your the one who seems to be eating up the propagahnda... M$ has never had an origional idea, has never made an attempt at putting out a GOOD product, and has never made an attempt at actual competiotion. M$'s buisness idea is to coral their users into a small little cage and bleed their wallets. Your probably don't see this cuz it looks like maybe you are one of those people who are aftraid to let go of what they know etc. etc. ? Maybe you should turn off the idiot box.

But then again your idea of a computer probably means something you can play Quake on and surf for porn. In that case, go ahead and let XP watch you do it and make sure it keeps a watchfull eye on you.

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« Reply #67 on: 15 March 2002, 10:35 »
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Increased virus-writer activity in the area of virus development for Linux has been registered this year. 37 new viruses and Trojans for this operating system have been detected. Therefore, currently the total number of viruses for Linux is 43, and what is most remarkable is that in 2000, the quantity of these viruses has increased 7-fold.

Despite the fact that some species are able to replicate and work independently, no Linux virus has ever been detected "in-the-wild." Kaspersky Lab experts assume that this is because the Linux desktop standard is not as popular as its competitors.

The most interesting member of the Linux virus family is Siilov. It is the first Linux virus that works in background mode, and is able to infect files in real-time mode.



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« Reply #68 on: 15 March 2002, 10:44 »
I don't think you've ever run Linux. The reasons that these viruses are not widespread is not because Linux is not widespread.  It's because viruses can't replicate like they can in Windows. Again, I have *no* fear of viruses in Linux.  I've never seen one, I've never known anyone who has seen one. And even if 100% of the desktops ran Linux viruses would not be a wide spread problem, period.  One of the nice things about Linux is there is diversity, unlike Winblows.  You got one Winblows machine, you got em all. What email client do you use?  I'll bet you use one of the two virus traps Outlook or Outlook Express right?  Ask a Linux person what they use for an email client, I bet you rarely get the same answer. This is not a bad thing. It's competition, and if you are a virus writer by profession, you won't be in business very long.

Oh, and out of those 43 "trojans and viruses", how many were *actually* viruses?  They are two different things.  Now, even if one or two of them could actually be considered viruses (which I would still likely contest), they just couldn't do much damage or spread very far.  And I wouldn't be surprised if it's the AV companies trying to spread fear by starting these rumors or writing a feeble "virus" just so they can stay in business after Microsoft goes out of business.

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« Reply #69 on: 15 March 2002, 10:50 »
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Ask a Linux person what they use for an email client, I bet you rarely get the same answer


And if you get 90% of computers to run linux, how many different e-mail clients will there really be? There would surely be a few very popular ones that could be found on a large number of machines.

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« Reply #70 on: 15 March 2002, 10:56 »
And how many of those will execute a program just by opening an email or by a carefully embedded JavaScript?  Answer=0.  And even if they could, what harm can they do? Users can't mess with system files. That's the difference between win* and *NIX.

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« Reply #71 on: 15 March 2002, 20:30 »
On any software, all that it take to hack into it is the desire. Any software. Most virus writers are writing then to have their name written in their own version of history. "I caused the corruption of so many computers" type o thing. They arent stable. They attack Microsoft product cuz of the wide use, not so much the ease of it. But nothing is unhackable.

Apple. Plz tell me what Apple PC can out perform an IBM clone? Ill buy it! Are we talking software or hardware here? Plz. No Apple hardware can out perform an IBM. Im sure there are great apps out there for the apple, but there are more different, if not better, for IBM. Apple has limited hardware support and software support. Thats its downfall. Greater limits. Less choises. The OS has nothing to do with it really.

 
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And what the hell do you mean M$ is not a monopoly? Jesus, they are only out to control the desktop computer market and the internet experience. They just go around stealing/buying up/ extorting other companies good ideas and passing them off as their own, in the interest of dominating their market and controling peoples CHOICE!! No not a monopoly, a fucking cancer!


Look. As I posted in the other thread. Microsoft is in the buisness of making money. If not for Microsoft, there wouldnt be a PC in half the homes in America. Microsoft made the indestry. They have employees that have paychecks, that make a living off their profits. Now along comes a company that has made absolutly no progress in years and says that Microsoft is keeping them out of the game. Thats not what I call a Monopoly. What Im saying is that no one has even tried to make a better system.  That isnt compitition, its a hand out. If you try and get beat down due to unfair practices, then ok. If you dont and get beat down, what do you expect?

My idea of a PC is giving me what I want without having to go through a buch of crap to get it. I tweak the hell outta Win98 so I can get that info even faster. Anything I need, I can get with Windows. Being surfing the net for porn, playing UT, surfing, buisness, what ever. Its all due to Microsoft cash. Why does Linux not have the same options? Cuz its free. There is no money in it.

The reason most of us her are able to bitch about Microsoft is due to two things. Al Gore, and Microsoft. I just dont understand the contempt for the company in general. The windows OS's and its fat, bloated design, but not the company.

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« Reply #72 on: 15 March 2002, 20:52 »
To FelTtch and Splodge:

you seem unable to grasp this simple concept:

Linux is secure because a casual user does not have the PERMISSION to corrupt essential data to the system.
This means, any program that is run by a user can only corrupt the data they themselves have access to.
This *does* mean that if that person has not backed up their files that day, they may lose a day of work, but them's the breaks.
There is no way a system can be screwed by a trojan or a virus in Linux, unless it runs as root. For that to happen it will need to be able to login as root. Only the sysadmin can do that.

Okay, that's out of the way, let's hear you both retort, nice and loud so everybody can hear you!

i am not an old time linux user btw, but i am open minded and not stupid, and i know some of the fundamental differences between Linux and "another leading operating system" (i partly just said that to give you something to quote in your retort...)
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« Reply #73 on: 15 March 2002, 21:07 »
Splot:

Ok... Hmmmm....

I have to totaly disagree with you. You are right, M$ is out to make money, but that is all they are out for!

Have you read about their practices at all? Did you know that even IE was a browser userped unfairly from another company with the SPECIFIC intent of driving Netscape out of Buisness? Did you know that the very windows interface was a SPECIFIC attempt at riping off the MacOS? Did you know M$ has not actually made or designed a single pice of software themselves (save for Office and similar crap)???

Furthermore, M$ throws its weight around with the intent of forcing their associets to block other companies, like the deal with vendors shiping computers with other OS's. M$ doese not care about the end users at all and would rather make themselves a sinacure by driving everyone out of buissness and keeping their users locked in a little M$ cage.

Did you know M$ made an attempt at actually monopolizing HTML? Did you know that one of their main buisness tactics is FUD? Did you know that even DOS is a stolen OS, and thet OS/2 was also sabatoged by M$ when they baild and ran away with half the code?

And as for your other assertion that if it werent for M$ there wouldnet be PC's. AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!! Jezz.... the first PC was the freaking APPLE!!!! The only reason M$ made it as far is Windows was because of Apple! Apple had the first PC's along with Comodor Atari etc. etc. and for their day, they were pretty damn popular.

Finaly, Apple Hardware is pretty freakin awsome. Take a look at the G4 spec's, and don't come whining about Mhz because we have been thrugh this on this forum far to many times. When my bro. worked for Disney for example, they had him on a 90Mhz SGI workstation and it ran blindingly fast and renderd everything in a split second, how? Hardware optimization and effeciency.

When you see more applications for Windoze, sure, I allways wanted 3000 spread sheet programs, 16000 viruses, 1billion quake clones, to sift thrugh, but sometimes Id like to find the good ones. In any case, a suped up Mac can handle graphics apps better than any PC, which is why they are used, and why I use them.

I seriously don't understand how you can be so dilusional about M$'s buisness. Seriously, do some resaerch and you will learn just how predetory they are. For god sakes, the entire reason for the XBox was because the Sony CEO mentioned that he wanted to make the PS2 into a sort of online internet appliance, M$ pushed the XBox out the door over a weekend, bought out a bunch of good developers and threw out their origional staff (i.e. Bungie), and is now trying to take over the console market. Is this fair?

It's not quite competition when the driving factor is not to better your competitors but rather to cripple them under the weight of your economic clout. M$ has no interest in making a good product, their interst lies in keeping the user traped and limiting his choice, IE became popular this way, as well as countless other programs of theirs.

M$ never had you in mind when you bought their product, they had your wallet in mind. And the common PC user dosn't realize that M$ has 'em by the balls when they use windoze, because in that realm, when M$ says frog, everybody jumps.

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« Reply #74 on: 16 March 2002, 03:39 »
Ok, back to the virus thing 1 mo time with feeling. Nothing is secure. Yes it is very possible to get into a Linux super user login and crash it, transfer info, or wipe it out. Linux is not unhackable. Can I do it? No. But can it be done and will you see it more and more as the OS is more commonly used? Yes.
And after you get Linux up and running, what can you do with it? I said nothing I need.

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And as for your other assertion that if it werent for M$ there wouldnet be PC's.

I never said that. I said the popularity of PC's as a entertainment medium is due to Microsoft.

 
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Have you read about their practices at all?

Yes. Do I believe it all? No.

Netscape has mismanaged thier own company without any help from Microsoft. Take a look at thier stock history. Besides, IE didnt need to specificly take out Netscape. It is an inferior product.

Now has Microsoft violated any Copywrite laws? No harm, no foul. This arguement is now dead.

As for their buisness practices...
Light weight contender. Look at APEC, look at your electric and phone companies, look at your utility company and tell me Microsoft is doing anything near a Monopoly. And it really very simple, Browsing the net is entertainment. This isnt Food or medicine. No one can die from not having it, or using it for that matter.
Microsoft makes its OS, then creates apps. to run on its software. They do not have to allow anyone to make add ons to their product. Where is Netscapes OS?

I work in a buisness where I have to look at money every day. I have to look at costs vs. profits. To make money for my company, I have to give the best service I can to draw customers away from my competitor, or at least give then a service no one else can. Now if someone comes along and offers a better service for less, Im dead unless I adjust for the compitions product also. I have to keep up to be profitable.
No one has even tried to keep up with Microsoft, so now they are dead in the water, looking for a handout.