windows longhorn vs close minded people

[Aaron Ni]

Ok Faust, I'm glad to see I'm not on your bad side.  I'd love to be able to have a Linux comp and know how to work it to a Tee but for now I'll work with what I have.  I will sooner or later changeover.

I fully support the cause of this website, there's no doubt about it.

[ShawnD1]

You guys really have to stop with the whole thing of "oh it's insecure". I'll put the security of my computer against your computer any day of the week.

About MS not patching stuff as fast as Linux, that's only a bit true. Look at the speeds for patching.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010608142954/http://securityportal.com/cover/coverstory20000117.html

Linux is only 2 million lines of code while Windows is over 20 million. We should expect Windows to have 10x as many errors that year right? Well according to that test, they only had double. Wouldn't that mean Linux has more bugs per line of code than Windows does?

[HibbeeBoy]

quote:Originally posted by Fett101:
Most Windows users are Windows users because they don't give damned. They don't know what a BIOS is. They don't think twice about thier computers. They just do what they always do.

That's right they don't care, and why should they care ? We use complex appliances everyday without knowing how they work or are configured.  
The problem with the PC is not the operating system, it is the nature of the appliance itself. The home consumer needs a device that works like the TV. Sitting on their fat ass using a remote control to do a few simple things. Play a movie/CD send/receive e-mail browse the internet for porn mostly. The PC is too complex an appliance for this. Someone who goes to COmp-USA and spends $2,500 dollars on a computer to perform these functions is out of their fucking mind. The lat thing I want to do when I want to play a CD is use a PC. People are caught up in the gadgetry of it all. Once people can browse the intrenet via their TV, the home consumer will be happy.
People are just too dumb for PCs. Ask anyone that has manned the phones at a helpdesk. It's not even difficult stuff, my 4 year old is more PC savvy than some of the fuckwits we issue laptops to.

It's been a bad fucking day, Microsoft are a fucking liability   :mad:

[jasonlane]

quote:Originally posted by ShawnD1:
You guys really have to stop with the whole thing of "oh it's insecure". I'll put the security of my computer against your computer any day of the week.

About MS not patching stuff as fast as Linux, that's only a bit true. Look at the speeds for patching.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010608142954/http://securityportal.com/cover/coverstory20000117.html

Linux is only 5 million (Laukev we stand corrected) lines of code while Windows is over 20 million. We should expect Windows to have 10x as many errors that year right? Well according to that test, they only had double. Wouldn't that mean Linux has more bugs per line of code than Windows does?

Hmmmm, 15 million of which shouldn't be there. M$ is proud owner of 83% of the worms, virii and bugs out there. Insecurity is just the manifestation of a third rate product that by all rights probably wouldn't be sold if it were any other industry.

I'm afraid the number of bugs isn't really the issue, it's the quality of work that counts, even patches  that are released are crafted to same standards. M$ of course thinks it's exempt from standards.

The devil is in the detail.

Also having 20 million lines of code is nothing to be proud.

[ August 20, 2003: Message edited by: Zardoz ]

[Laukev7]

quote:Originally posted by ShawnD1:
You guys really have to stop with the whole thing of "oh it's insecure". I'll put the security of my computer against your computer any day of the week.

About MS not patching stuff as fast as Linux, that's only a bit true. Look at the speeds for patching.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010608142954/http://securityportal.com/cover/coverstory20000117.html

Linux is only 2 million lines of code while Windows is over 20 million. We should expect Windows to have 10x as many errors that year right? Well according to that test, they only had double. Wouldn't that mean Linux has more bugs per line of code than Windows does?

Erm, no. First, that's 5 million lines of code. Second, you are comparing the Linux kernel with the whole Windows system, which includes drivers, .net, Explorer and the user interface. Linux is just a small part of OS, and doesn't include the GNU system and the applications bundled with it. A better comparison would be Microsoft Windows versus Red Hat Linux or another distribution.

[ShawnD1]

quote:Originally posted by HibbeeBoy:
The home consumer needs a device that works like the TV. Sitting on their fat ass using a remote control to do a few simple things. Play a movie/CD send/receive e-mail browse the internet for porn mostly.

Actually they have that, it's called WebTV  

[flap]

So, to summarise, you've just defeated your own argument by revealing that Microsoft had to patch twice as many holes as Red Hat in the same period. That's why we say "oh it's insecure."

[HibbeeBoy]

quote:Originally posted by ShawnD1:


Actually they have that, it's called WebTV    

Aye, but it is powered by MSN !    

I hate Microsoft, I hate them I hate them I hate them.
I'm away to send an angry e-mail to their support staff.

[ShawnD1]

quote:Originally posted by flap:
So, to summarise, you've just defeated your own argument by revealing that Microsoft had to patch twice as many holes as Red Hat in the same period. That's why we say "oh it's insecure."

They patched twice as many holes for software that is 10x is big. That means the rate of error in Windows is less than the rate of error in Linux.

[Laukev7]

quote: They patched twice as many holes for software that is 10x is big. That means the rate of error in Windows is less than the rate of error in Linux.

Have you read what I said a few posts above?

 

quote: Erm, no. First, that's 5 million lines of code. Second, you are comparing the Linux kernel with the whole Windows system, which includes drivers, .net, Explorer and the user interface. Linux is just a small part of OS, and doesn't include the GNU system and the applications bundled with it. A better comparison would be Microsoft Windows versus Red Hat Linux or another distribution.

[flap]

No, it isn't "10x as big". As has just been explained to you, that article refers to the entire Red Hat GNU/Linux distribution, which comprises far more than "2 million lines of code".

[solarismka]

quote:Originally posted by mc0282:
i been asking my self since i heard about the tcpa,dmca,drm,etc.. ok when windows longhorn is release and i know some hacker,cracker is going to unleash some worm and prove the microsoft windows is never going to be secure, is people going to wake the fuck up and say "enough of this shit,
i am going to find something better"
or people going to stay close minded with there heads up there asses keep using windows?, people complaint  when the dvd player doesn't want to work people complaint when AC is not cooling the room, why people don't complaint microsoft want to take your privacy? come on tell me how many people in this country against it ?

i be honest  if i had cold heart i would create a fucking bomb and  told the people at microsoft get out, and i would blow up microsoft headquater into piece to prove a fucking point, i am sick of there shit .

sorry for the long paragraph i want to see if other people feel the same way or just want to stay here complaint and not do shit about it.
i sick of complaining i want to fucking do something about it.

[ July 27, 2003: Message edited by: mc0282 ]

I do agree quite strongly with you.  Privacy is the main consern    .But we are dealing with the psycology of a person.  I can see them buying new computers with 'LongHoe' on it.  They, will probably realize that they can't do all the stuff they cam now with their previous version of winblowz, prompting them to do two things.

A.)  Keep on returning it to the maufacturer(repair shop) etc...  Only to realize that it JUST won't work!

or

B.) digress to a previous version of WinBlowz./stick to the winblowz you already have.

I hear already that people just don't want to upgrade anymore. I mean, for them, if 98SE plays all the latest games, then why get winXP.  If win2kpro is stable enough for the office inviroment then why go to 2k3???.....

Of course because of this no real problems will ever be solved.  Virii/worms will still plunder th inet and people will continue to call their 'techs.'  

A sad world.  However Linux.  is makeing leaps and bounds and the fact is when I switched it made my life better and easier with less complications!

  :cool:

[xyle_one]

windows has 20 million lines of code in it? I saw something that said xp had around 35 to 40 million lines of code in it. This article says that 2000 has 50-60 million lines of code.

more-
http://news.com.com/2100-1001_3-934363.html
http://www.biznix.org/whylinux/windows/win2000.html

basically, windows is a huge peice of bloat ware with an enormous problem in keeping its code under control. It is spiraling out of control. Linux on the other hand, has tight control over its code. Its clean, and people actually know what is going on in there.

[solarismka]

And lets not forget.  Not only does M$ has 20 million lines of usless, insecure, bloated code, I wouldn't be suprised if more than half of it is stolen!

Yet SCO has a problem with linux?

M$ said it themselves....

"Good artists copy, Great artists steal!"

They cant fix what really isn't theirs.  If you stole more than half the car parts to build your car and know nothing about michanics, your car would turn out to be a deathtrap just because you have no idea how things work, and no idea on what you are doing.

[ August 20, 2003: Message edited by: -=Solaris.M.K.A=- ]

[jasonlane]

quote:Originally posted by ecsyle:951:
windows has 20 million lines of code in it? I saw something that said xp had around 35 to 40 million lines of code in it. This article says that 2000 has 50-60 million lines of code.

more-
http://news.com.com/2100-1001_3-934363.html
http://www.biznix.org/whylinux/windows/win2000.html

basically, windows is a huge peice of bloat ware with an enormous problem in keeping its code under control. It is spiraling out of control. Linux on the other hand, has tight control over its code. Its clean, and people actually know what is going on in there.

So what the fuck are those extra lines doing??? Comments, has to be comments