Can you prove to my brother that XP sucks more then W98?

[lazygamer]

Well can you? Him and me both possess very late beta versions of WinXP professional edition. He thinks it's faster, less buggy and more stable then Windows 98. He's not a dumb windows zombie, he's not a computer newbie.

Lucky for him, he is very fascinated by Linux and is quite interested in my constant persistence in getting teh L on my system(and he thinks Mandrake sounds like a c00l name).

Give some l33t in-depth essays about why W98 pwns XP, and I'll show him the thread.  

See you guys keep saying XP sux so...

[voidmain]

I'm sure it will be proven that they both suck more than the intake on an F-16.

[Zombie9920]

WindowsXP doesn't suck more than Windows 98. Fact, the NT Kernel is alot more reliable than the 9x Kernel. Windows XP looks better and has more GUI capabilites than Win9x, it is faster on modern systems, it will continue to recieve updates and SP's. New Windows 98 updates have been axed now(meaning the only updates you will get are the old ones that are already available). MS has even tried to encourage hardware developers to quit writing Win98 drivers(thier answer to that is to write drivers for WinME and tell 98 users to use the ME drivers, LoL).

[ August 07, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]

[Calum]

yadda yadda yadda, blah blah blah. thanks, zombie54274567.

Well, the real test is, dual boot, get used to both systems for a few months and then see what you yourself think.

If you only have windows, then how will you ever know? (is my advice tto your brother) linux does not cost anything, so what has he got to lose?

if he will not dual boot then he is simply a coward, sorry to say.

[DC]

Win XP IS better than Win 98 (generally speaking, it isn't better in *all* aspects).

The general design of WinNT is just *much* better than 98 (OK, they did a shitty job actually implementing it, but that doesn't stop it being better than Win98) (actually the bare NT isn't that bad - it's the compatibility stuff (with all earlier versions - yes ALL. WinXP has some 3.11 code) that fucks it up. Too bad you can't lose that).

2 reasons not to compare with Linux/Unix:
1) *nix is off the chart with a comparison to Win - it has (good) stuff WinXP still doesn't, and had it since the 80's.
2) This is a MS WinOS forum, and a Win topic.

[lazygamer]

Well that's a good idea ya know. I mean hell, I need to have a version of wind0ze for compatibility, so why not master them both eh?(then you learn what one is truly better)

This is why I ask. All the grandmasters of these forums keep talking about how XP sucks WAY more then W98 does, and how you have alot more customizability, power etc. with W98.

My bro has no problem in trying out Linux, it's just he's much happier with XP compared to W98.

[DC]

quote:Originally posted by lazygamer:
All the grandmasters of these forums keep talking about how XP sucks WAY more then W98 does, and how you have alot more customizability, power etc. with W98.

Well, if you think that, you're not a grandmaster. Well, actually, that depends on what you call a grandmaster, but you're certainly not a windows wizard.
XP is as customizable and sligtly more powerful than 98. Some of the customization might be harder to find/implement, but wizards don't really care much.

If you want a win for *compatibility* I would reccomend Win98 though (for the moment at least).

[lazygamer]

Oh im definitly not a Windows Wizard, im no n00b, but im no Wizard. Im trying to learn and let out my inner hacker/cracker/poweruser... but im still a n00b in the end.

What do I define as a grandmaster? One of the regulars here who appears to know what's he's talking about, is a computer nerd, thinks MS is shit etc.

[pkd_lives]

XP uses the NT kernal, which is based on an idea in Unix. It is much more stable, although the simple stuff, like copying files, run much slower.

The point about XP is that it has far more dubious content in the EULAs and has more phone home type stuff, and has been geared towards that most stupid of ideas .net and all the passport bollocks that goes with it. XP has been geared towards an assumption of you being on the net and working through the net for everything you want. They have more control over your computer as a result of this piece of software being installed.

[lazygamer]

Ah ha! So summary is, use late beta version and run a few "spyware BS removal programs" and you get a much nice wind0ze experience.  

[jtpenrod]

quote:Give some l33t in-depth essays about why W98 pwns XP, and I'll show him the thread. <http://forum.fuckmicrosoft.com/cgi-bin/smile.gif>

See you guys keep saying XP sux so..

It's not all that hard to do, but it is somewhat involved:

• Do a clean install of Win XP and Win 98 on two different machines. Now start up both of them. Which one demands to be "activated"?
• Take a good look at each one's desktop. Then ask which one looks most like that of a toy computer called "My First PC"?
• Connect both to the Internet. Which one constantly nags you to sign up for a "Passport", even though you've already told it "No"?
• Connect both to the 'Net via a proxy or hardware firewall. Which one keeps trying to connect to www.microsoft.com, even though you have no intention to browse that domain?
• Play a CD or DVD in either's media player. Which one immediately "phones home"?
• Swap out some hard, such as an HD or mobo. Reboot. Which one demands to be "activated" once again?

Then ask him: which one SUX the most? It shouldn't be too hard to figure that one out.
 

quote:Lucky for him, he is very fascinated by Linux and is quite interested in my constant persistence in getting teh L on my system(and he thinks Mandrake sounds like a c00l name).

OTOH, why not just skip all the bother, and get him to install Mandrake? Then he won't have to worry about whether or not Win XP sux more than Win 98.   ;)  
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[ August 08, 2002: Message edited by: jtpenrod ]

[ims27_8]

I think XP is better than 98. The activation can be annoying, but I (and most other people) don't change their hardware that much, so the re-activation isn't really a problem for me. And when it bugged me for the passport thing, i just clicked cancel or something (i can't remember exactly what) and it went away. I must admit, though, that at the moment I'm using windows 2000 professional out of necessity for work.

[lazygamer]

Actually, my brother thinks that the professional edition would lack the MS BS because it's being used by corporate dudes who don't want to put up with that shit(and are paying alot more). Correct?

Ok it says I have Microsoft XP professional version 2002. Actually, it seems so far it may be better then W98.

Ok I don't believe my XP had any problems with passport nagging, it's sure as hell is not nagging me right now. Either it never nagged, or my brother disabled it somehow.

Media player spyware? How do I tell?

Luckily mine totally lacks activation at all as once again... late beta.  

More interesting, my bro was able to 100% update my XP with no problems.  

[choasforages]

professinal doesn't lack the passport bullshit. it keeped on bothreing me when i was tryijngto fix my friends computer,/*its mb is toast anyway*/ and it wouldn't go away

[lazygamer]

Lol I see what you mean, I had to send receive a file from my brother 1hr ago. ICQ doesn't work without re-installing, so let's just use messenger. HEY! It comes pre-installed! Talk about a time saver. Ok boot up messenger. No thanks, I'll pass on the passport. WTF, I said NO! Oh well, might as well use my now shitty hotmail account(thanks a million for showing me it's errors) for this. At least they didn't require me to actually open up my Hotmail and send back some gay confirm message.

So your right, passport BS is here. But the total lack of that activation BS rocks!

PS:I know some people on messenger, any non-MS program that can emulatate messenger?