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« Reply #60 on: 1 October 2002, 10:17 »
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Originally posted by Fibre0p:
so some 12 year old can come along and as a normal user run one of the many exploits that are all over the net and get root access in a matter of ~10 seconds. Its just so easy to crack linux. Linux has to be constantly updated too.



First of all, most businesses have security guards and don't let 12 year olds run around. Second of all, you can only use a local sploit if you already have a user account on the machine. Still not going to get you into the servers. And why would you want to spend any time trying to find a vulnerability to exploit when you can just boot from a floppy (like Tom's boot disk) and get all you want? If you got physical access to the machine nothing is going to stop someone from gaining access no matter what OS it's running. You can gain administrator access on any 2K system very easily if you have local login access. And if they have physical access and no logon a boot disk can own any M$ box as well.

 
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btw i dont use win2k AS at home, i use it at work you Ferrous Cranus. If a company cant afford server software, they dont deserve to have a network.


Being able to afford server software really doesn't have much to do with it. Running either is going to cost you, it's how well each one can do it's job that counts. That's why I run Linux on as many servers as I can.  And it sure beats trying to keep up with M$ licensing procedures. It's nice not to have to worry if you're going to get a visit from MS Lenny and MS Guido, the Microsoft thugs, because you've overlooked some of the fine print.
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« Reply #61 on: 1 October 2002, 10:27 »
good point void... However the point I was making was simply this

With an install of Win2k to secure it you need to buy 3rd party software

With a linux install (Granted there are security measures you have to take) but it can be done with the software that comes on a Linux distrubution.

Weigh the differences.....

Linux ( if you buy it has extra goodies in the distro) still comes out cheaper including man hours
Windows Nothing comes with it except some vain little toys plus an EULA that even a lawyer would have a hard time understanding.

In this case as I said above about the Money you would have to shell out to make it secure and that is not 100%

That is all I was getting at
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« Reply #62 on: 1 October 2002, 10:39 »
Oh don't get me wrong, I totally agree about the cost and the value of Linux coming way out on top. I just don't think it is a huge factor in a lot of businesses. IT Managers somehow feel more important the more money they spend and the larger budgets they have.

Having said that, there are a lot of businesses that don't have huge budgets. In either case Linux is still the best choice in a lot of cases because for one it is better in many ways, and for two you can purchase more hardware or give your employees a raise with the money you save by going Linux.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the initial cost of say Windows XP, Office XP, Visual Studio.NET, the CALs for Exchange, SQL Server for 1000 desktops vs the $0 you have to dole out for Linux, OpenOffice.org, Ximian Evolution connecting to an IMAP server, PostgreSQL, and the boatloads of development software.

Hell, even if your stuck with Windows and just can't swing the wholesale change to Linux (yet) just switching from Office XP to OpenOffice should get you giant pay raise.
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« Reply #63 on: 1 October 2002, 16:44 »
im not talking about physical access you fuck, remote exploits are everywhere. you can exploit ftp daemons, apache, hell even openssh itself. Oh and btw i compiled gentoo linux today and decided to try www.linux.org with "lynx" still no go.

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« Reply #64 on: 1 October 2002, 16:53 »
I am beginning to think my ISP has blocked linux.org for some unknown reason.

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« Reply #65 on: 1 October 2002, 18:11 »
Yeah, cuz they know you're a fucking asshole!
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« Reply #66 on: 1 October 2002, 19:26 »
I see linux.org no problem using Opera.

Fibre0p, Linux has a feature called a "wanker detector" obviously it's picked you up very easily.

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« Reply #67 on: 1 October 2002, 21:11 »
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Originally posted by Fibre0p:
im not talking about physical access you fuck, remote exploits are everywhere. you can exploit ftp daemons, apache, hell even openssh itself. Oh and btw i compiled gentoo linux today and decided to try www.linux.org with "lynx" still no go.


Really, is that why one of my main Linux servers has an uptime of 603 days with only one reboot 111 days ago because of an extended power outage? Yep, them 12 years olds are really killing me. Don't know why I'm still using Linux, I better switch to Winblows right away.

And you compiled Gentoo today huh?  You did it all in one day? You must be a pretty fart smeller.
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« Reply #68 on: 2 October 2002, 03:13 »
the moron posted from 210.49.230.33 and 211.28.96.70. Must be on dialup. i bet he's not in cuba though... is it windows xp loser? could be...
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« Reply #69 on: 2 October 2002, 04:44 »
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For the people who think linux will make it into being widespread as workstations, your wrong. People who use workstations in work applications only want to do their job, they dont want to know how to fix anything or make a script that check if some 12 year old backdoored their computer, they just want to do their work and get on with it. Personally i think linux in the state it is in should only be used on servers. Until it is more user friendly thats where its staying in the real world
Ironic words indeed. Linux does a far better job of just letting folks get their work done. After all, once it's up and running, it just keeps going on. Hell, Linux doesn't even have the equivalent of a BSOD!

As for doing work, well, this close friend of the family was in her final quarter of med school. There was this one class she had to take for graduation. The "final" consisted of doing a paper, that she'd worked on for two weeks on the new Sony Viao her husband had recently bought - with Win XP pre-installed. The night before her paper was due, she was putting the finishing touches on it, and guess what happened?   ;)

That's right - XP crashed hard.  :eek:   And her report was totally, completely gone. MIA. Needless to say, it just wasn't possible for her to spend the rest of the night recreating two weeks' worth of work. And the professor wouldn't take "XP ate my homework" for an excuse either. So, this summer, she spent it repeating the course - a course she'd've passed had it not been for XP.   :mad:   (The next day, she requested that I pay her a visit to wipe XP off the HD     and install Mandrake Linux).

The term "Microsoft workstation" is an oxymoron   :D
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« Reply #70 on: 2 October 2002, 05:07 »
Yeah I think that would be an IP address from a Dial-up all right if my thinking is correct the IP address is probably from a AOL or a Juno Account
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« Reply #71 on: 2 October 2002, 05:23 »
Nope, their both from a Cable/Dialup provider in Australia:

http://www.optusnet.com.au/

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« Reply #72 on: 2 October 2002, 11:01 »
oh ffs my IP changed because i used my linux computer for a post and the windows one for the other posts. fkin ferrous cranus fucks

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« Reply #73 on: 2 October 2002, 11:03 »
i have cable

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« Reply #74 on: 2 October 2002, 11:05 »
600 day uptime eh? first of all linux dosn't display over ~490 days. and if its been on that long i think its time you shut it down and gave it a clean

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