Windows is easier to install than Linux

[pandronic]

I use computers for about 15 years. I've been a Dos programmer (ASM, TurboPascal, C++). I couldn't switch to that Visual crap for Windows after DOS was replaced and decided to be a webdeveloper. And this is what I'm doing for the past 5 years. I'm an experienced PHP programmer and a pretty good designer (or at least I like to think that way).

A friend of mine installed Slackware on my server. One day I decided to install QMail. Well, I spent one whole day reading tutorials and searching the web. Late in the night I decided to ask my friend to install it for me.

I'm not complaining about the Linux community, or the feedback, or the documentation - it's far better than that Windows', but I think the problem is the OS itself rather than the community. Probably if I spent another day or so I might have installed it, but would have been a f**king waste of time. It's more convenient to pay someone to do it (and is certainly better for your health).

So, why should I lose a few month of my life to learn an OS, that can't do for me half the things Windows can? No games, no serious applications other than server management (I mean no photoshop, corel, flash and the list can go on).

I think that for now at least 90% of the users have nothing to do with Linux and should stick to Windows and it's lovely BSOD (I know it sux, but this is the reality).

[worker201]

I've mentioned this elsewhere, but it takes a certain kind of person to get their jollies from the Linux experience.  There's a bit of a learning curve at the start, and you WILL experience frustration and start whining in forums, it is inevitable.  But then it gets better.  You kinda have to really love computers and be willing to sit and tinker with shit for maybe months to get everything going so you can begin to get things done efficiently.

The Linux experience is not for everyone, and anyone who says otherwise is lying.

If you want to be able to purchase a new computer, install a few hit programs, and start working, then maybe Windows is for you.  You'll just have to suck it up and take MS bullshit like a man, because you have chosen to sacrifice quality for immediacy.  That's the tradeoff.

If you want to spend a little time messing around and getting to know how hardware and software really works and then use that newfound knowledge to do some really cool stuff, all while having basic programs to take care of your basic daily needs, then you can roll Linux style.

Maybe Linux is a hobbyists OS, but that doesn't bother me at all.  If that possibility bothers you, then fuck off and leave us alone.

[Refalm]

quote:pandronic: So, why should I lose a few month of my life to learn an OS, that can't do for me half the things Windows can? No games, no serious applications other than server management (I mean no photoshop, corel, flash and the list can go on).

Hahaha  

Silly you, you can run Photoshop in Wine or CrossOfiice, who needs Corel, and Macromedia is making their MX line available for Linux in a few months  

And games... well, some companies decided to make their games native for Linux, putting the Linux version on the same disk as the Windows version, example: Unreal Tournament 2004 (look at the bottom of the page, or download the Linux demo :rolleyes .
I hope other game companies follow this trend. And ATi too, because compared to nVidia's Linux drivers, theirs suck.

[restin256]

quote:Originally posted by [root@localhost /]#:


Yes, but that does not mean the software should make users jump through unnecessary hoops just to get something done.

Change your username, it's decieving. Linux doesn't require you to jump through as many hoops as Windows. With Linux you don't need as heavy antivirus than you do with windows, if any at all.

[pandronic]

quote:Originally posted by Refalm:


Hahaha    

Silly you, you can run Photoshop in Wine or CrossOfiice, who needs Corel, and Macromedia is making their MX line available for Linux in a few months    

And games... well, some companies decided to make their games native for Linux, putting the Linux version on the same disk as the Windows version, example: Unreal Tournament 2004 (look at the bottom of the page, or download the Linux demo :rolleyes    .
I hope other game companies follow this trend. And ATi too, because compared to nVidia's Linux drivers, theirs suck.

We'll just have to wait and see and let's hope that Linux will get more usable.

[pandronic]

quote:Originally posted by worker201:
... then fuck off and leave us alone.

Hey, man what kind of conversation do you prefer? Maybe something like:

- Yeah, Linux rulz dude!
- Right on dude, Linux kicks ass!!! And you know what?
- What?
- Fuck Windows!!!
- Yeah, dude!

[hm_murdock]

quote:We'll just have to wait and see and let's hope that Linux will get more usable.

http://calix.calyptos.com

That should do it. We're using that distro for the core of CthulOS.

[worker201]

quote:Originally posted by pandronic:


Hey, man what kind of conversation do you prefer? Maybe something like:

- Yeah, Linux rulz dude!
- Right on dude, Linux kicks ass!!! And you know what?
- What?
- Fuck Windows!!!
- Yeah, dude!

Actually, what I am trying to say is:

Them - Hey, I don't like Linux, it sucks.
Me - Then don't use it.

If thine eye offends thee, pluck it out!

[pandronic]

quote:Originally posted by jimmyjames.sytes.net:


http://calix.calyptos.com

That should do it. We're using that distro for the core of CthulOS.

I took a look and it sounds promising.
When do you think there will be a final version?


 

quote:Originally posted by worker201:

Actually, what I am trying to say is:

Them - Hey, I don't like Linux, it sucks.
Me - Then don't use it.

That's a nicer way of saying it. But I think you are too eager to give up potential Linux users.

[worker201]

It's not a race to see who can convert the most users.  From what I've seen, people are very particular about what they like and don't like when it comes to computers.  Windows might be the best choice for some people.  There's a tradeoff they have to make between "windowsishness" and quality.  I believe that eventually, everyone will realize, as I have, that Windows is not really a viable solution, and come over on their own.

Our job is to remind people why Windows is not the best solution, and then help them when they decide to come in.  Kinda like AA.  We man the phones at 3am, waiting for that inevitable phone call.  The call will come, it's just a question of when.

[young1024]

quote:Originally posted by jimmyjames.sytes.net:
Because you don't have to know about /dev/hda or swap partitions. You don't have to know about X11 config files or about configuring CUPS or about networks.

You don't need to know about compiliing stuff, or about how to use apt-get.

And most of all...

PEOPLE WILL HELP YOU IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM! They won't piss at you and yell 'RTFM, YOU FUCKING NEWB!"

Truth.

For retard AOL-ers like you. When will you realize that Linux is a geek O/S? And they have guides on the Internet and your local bookstore, so "'RTFM, YOU FUCKING NEWB!"

Truth.

[hm_murdock]

Good day, young1024

Welcome to the forums. Now it's time for you to learn your place.

Your place is not here. We don't want your kind if you're going to be like that.

Seeing as you're apparently not a "stupid AOLler", I suppose you easily found the link to GenSTEP? I figure that you suddenly realized that you're a complete and utter fucktard when you noticed that you were looking at the motherfucking sf.net project site for my Linux distro, powered by the excellent Komodo. its purpose is to solve many of these problems by bringing a next-generation approach to Linux.

The sad truth is, installation and configuration can often times require some degree of fiddling with the UNIXy parts. Software installation can as well. Things are much better. But not as nice as they could be.

Documentation is also a problem even now. GenSTEP aims to solve those problems, and it will.

Now, you are cordially invited to piss off.

[ March 19, 2004: Message edited by: jimmyjames.sytes.net ]

[restin256]

See, he's said nothing of use once again.

You really don't have to know about X11 or /etc/whatever to instal Linux. I installed it numerous times before I knew what X11 was.

[hm_murdock]

Did somebody say something?

[restin256]

You make yourself out as an AOLer apparantly, as you believe someone must know the kernel by heart in order to install the OS.

You need to know how to use apt-get, just as with windoze you need to know how to use system updater.

 

quote:PEOPLE WILL HELP YOU IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM! They won't piss at you and yell 'RTFM, YOU FUCKING NEWB!"

There's the only truthful point in your post, if it's not sarcasm. As someone once said, if you go to linuxquestions.org or linuxiso.org you wouldn't get that for asking help. It's FUDers like you who try to make it seem as though it's not ready, though I've been perfectly capable of using it even before I learnned any programming language.