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Does anyone has Microsoft Visual C++ ?
foobar:
In two years i will probably be goin ' to a school where you can learn to become an admin.
Methinks i'll go buy me one of those fuckmicrosoft.com tshirts for when i go to that school ... :D
If they will try to shove any m$ crap through my throat i will just laugh at them and download something open source ....
DC:
quote:Originally posted by VoidMain:
But I suggest you get GCC from
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I don't want to bitch about GCC or anything, it's damned decent at what it does. But it is NO replacement for Visual C++. Emacs + GCC isn't either (it's more usefull though, writing C with echo isn't nice).
What is misses is a GUI and window-designer. Now, if you need that is another question - if you don't, GCC is just fine - but those are main parts of Visual C++.
QT Designer and Kdevelop are 2 replacements for this, by the way. There are probably more.
My school (well, univerity) will use Unix (Solaris) next year . Well, the Beta part will (Alpha and Gamma parts won't, they have Win, but I study physics). I had to use Win @ school for the last 3 years (DOS before that ).
Then again, I won't actually learn about computers there (well, I probably will - but that's not what I'm supposed to do there).
Mr. Metasyntactic variable: if they teach MS @ school, you can't just 'shove [it] through [your] throat and download something open source'. Not if you want to get the degree that is.
Refalm:
Microsoft's new programming language is called: "Microsoft Visual C# .NET" and before that they released the new SDK for "Microsoft ADO .NET".
I have the same problem you guys have. I signed up for an ICT school (ROC MBO, for who's really interested) and I have to learn Microsoft Visual Basic there.
I'm betting that I have to learn Visual C# .NET in a few years... hell, what survival change do I have in the IT world when I can only programme in Visual C# .NET and Visual Basic?
None... man, I'm going to learn real programming languages which does me good, like C++, JAVA, Perl, PHP etc so I don't have complaining custumors who say that my "automated" scripts crash everytime they try to do anything.
rtgwbmsr:
In 2004 all New York State high schools will change AP Computer science to Javascript classes, instead of the current C++ classes. Someone, somewhere in NY hates M$...
jtpenrod:
quote:I don't want to bitch about GCC or anything, it's damned decent at what it does. But it is NO replacement for Visual C++. Emacs + GCC isn't either (it's more usefull though, writing C with echo isn't nice).
What is misses is a GUI and window-designer. Now, if you need that is another question - if you don't, GCC is just fine - but those are main parts of Visual C++.
QT Designer and Kdevelop are 2 replacements for this, by the way. There are probably more.
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There are a couple of good window designers out there. Qt for KDE and Glade for GNOME. Up till now, Qt was somewhat brain dead as a designer in that all you could do with it was create dialogs, wizards, tabbed dialogs, but not main windows with menus, tool bars, and status bars - these had to be hand coded. The latest version of Qt has corrected this flaw. Glade has always been pretty slick for those writing GNOME apps. However, what you won't find is something that is tightly integrated, such as Visual C++. The UNIX programming aids sacrifice the convenience of this tight integration in favor of cross-platform perfromance. Many of the UNIX programming aids and tool kits, such as Qt, FOX, or wxWindows, can be used to write apps for M$ Windows. Try writing a Linux app with Visual C++ and see how far you get
Furthermore, if you're serious about learning programming, the best place to learn is on a UNIX system. The tightly integrated development aids that come with Winders are more "convenient", but you won't learn very much from using them. These dumbed down development environments lead to dumbed down developers. After all, how else to explain how some M$ apps have up to 2000% more code in them than they really need? (See the Feature Article for details)
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