Miscellaneous > Applications
Is it just me...
voidmain:
quote:Originally posted by Xenoran:
The real issue is clearly ignorance, most novice users aren't even aware of what the operating systems is, I know a lot of them who used to think that "Windows is the PC"... And with that being the issue, I think bundling the systems with XP home is the best thing to do, could you imagine what those people would be like on Linux?
--- End quote ---
Yeah, they would be a lot more secure, they wouldn't need virus software and they would get a better deal on their PC
quote:
However, there should be an option to purchase the system without an OS for more advanced users who know what an OS is and how to install one.
--- End quote ---
No, they should sell the PC without any software period and give the user the choice of what software they want to be shipped with the machine. If they can install their OS the first time, they can probably "reinstall it" which will likely only happen with the people who select the MS operating system. Or at least offer a few choices, along with a no operating system installed choice. This will not happen though because Microsoft has a leash on those hardware vendors.
quote:
My only complaint with MS is that they idiot proofed XP Professional to some extent, which was uncalled for considering that only the more advanced users install it and that almost all PCs come with home edition. Home Edition should've been idiot proofed to the highest extent...
--- End quote ---
And why would Microsoft have to "idiot proof" their system? I'll give you three guesses.
Calum:
first of all, i didn't mean to really call you a fucktard, but what a good word!!! Right, on to the meaningful adult discussion:
quote:Originally posted by Xenoran
Why should I respond? This entire forum is clearly 100% closed minded. With the replies I've seen in this post and the various other topics around the forum, an intelligent debate here is clearly futile.
--- End quote ---
Bullshit! you just can't handle the heat! This forum is not closed minded, just because its participants do not happen to want to join the LickMicrosoft'sButt club.
quote:Originally posted by Xenoran
All I can say is that by the level of immaturity you all have expressed on this forum, you are all shaming the operating systems / platforms your attempting to support, it's quite sad really...
--- End quote ---
don't get too emotional now, what immaturity? sure we all sling insults at each other, but that's just the form of some of the debate. What counts is the substance. If you want lost to stop calling you a fucktard (which should be like water off a duck's back in a sane world), then i wouldn't continue to adopt this teacher/angry old man next door stance. Just a word of advice.
quote:Originally posted by the well meaning but possibly misguided Xenoran:
The real issue is clearly ignorance, most novice users aren't even aware of what the operating systems is, I know a lot of them who used to think that "Windows is the PC"... And with that being the issue, I think bundling the systems with XP home is the best thing to do, could you imagine what those people would be like on Linux? However, there should be an option to purchase the system without an OS for more advanced users who know what an OS is and how to install one.
--- End quote ---
I think you have a lot of well considered opinions, and i haven't had a lot of experience using the stuff you have used, so i have a limited knowledge base with which to comment, but i really hope you are being at least a little bit sarcastic. okay, a lot of people are not too sure of the inner workings of their computer and often don't want to know anyway, but why would packaging a heapload of uncoordinated proprietary bullshit with a nice new PC be GOOD for the user? If it was the norm to give "those people" the choice, when they bought the machine, there would be no confusion, not even amongst those "novice users" you so eloquently dismiss, because it would be NORMAL. It would be WHAT THEY EXPECTED. They could even choose to have SunOS, SUSELinux, Windows3.1, OS/2, whatever they wanted installed in the shop. They could pay extra and never have to install it themselves (unless it was windows, as it needs reinstalled periodically but that's another story). The important thing here is they would have the choice. They would be told their options and be able to choose. Do you really have a problem with that?
Let's see a scenario where no new PC gets sold with an OS, but business cards and pamphlets for each OS could be bundled with the PC if the OS distributor so desired. Right, so Windows leaflets will come with every computer. PCs in the US and Australia and Canada et c would come with Red Hat Leaflets, PCs in Asia would come with TurboLinux leaflets. Of course these Linux OSs are free, so they could actually ship a CD with the PCs containing the basic stuff for their install, maybe they could entice users to get the other 6 CDs or whatever if they liked the OS.
What i'm saying is, PEOPLE ONLY USE WINDOWS BECAUSE WINDOWS KNOWS HOW TO USE PEOPLE.
quote:Xenoran again...
My only complaint with MS is that they idiot proofed XP Professional to some extent, which was uncalled for considering that only the more advanced users install it and that almost all PCs come with home edition. Home Edition should've been idiot proofed to the highest extent...
--- End quote ---
Windows is Windows is Windows. Who cares if it's idiot proofed? it's not the idiots we need to worry about, they are only doing word processing and browsing the net, and maybe listening to MP3s. It should be Microsoft proofed. Got a problem with Windows? don't blame it on the idiots! Microsoft is always at the heart of the problem.
quote:Originally posted by BadKarma
And it doesn't all boil down to personal preferencee (it plays a (rather limited) part though) it all boils down to marketing and aggresive bussiness tactics, two things linux will never have.
--- End quote ---
I just quoted this because i agree totally. It's not a case of "whose software is better", it's all a propoghanda/PR battle just like the cold war Russia/America stuff. Promotion is politics.
I support anybody's right to run whatever they want on their computer including Windows, but that's exactly the point. Most people are told what they want before they've even had a chance to think about it.
Ball's in your court, Fucktard :D
Xenoran:
quote:Let's see a scenario where no new PC gets sold with an OS, but business cards and pamphlets for each OS could be bundled with the PC if the OS distributor so desired. Right, so Windows leaflets will come with every computer. PCs in the US and Australia and Canada et c would come with Red Hat Leaflets, PCs in Asia would come with TurboLinux leaflets. Of course these Linux OSs are free, so they could actually ship a CD with the PCs containing the basic stuff for their install, maybe they could entice users to get the other 6 CDs or whatever if they liked the OS. What i'm saying is, PEOPLE ONLY USE WINDOWS BECAUSE WINDOWS KNOWS HOW TO USE PEOPLE.
--- End quote ---
That I would have to agree with, but the leaflets would need to be made by a 3rd party impartial source, if they were made by the software manufacturer, the issue of false advertising would come into the picture. Also, Windows does not "use people", people use it... and then proceed to crash it with AOL and every other unstable app known to man :( ...
Gonusto:
One thing Fucktard needs to realize is that there are multiple reasons why people hate Microsoft. The entire reason I started trying to install Linux (and evenually remove Windows completely from my system) was because of Windows lack of security and privacy. Having a more stable OS is just a pleasent side affect.
Microsoft has no respect for the customer. The customer in Bill Gate's eyes is just another tool to be used and manipulated for his own gain. And how does he do it? Through the software. Between hidden files and your own computer sending reports back on you and your habits (just to name a few things), you loose all sense of privacy when using Windows. And XP is the worst (until .NET comes out that is)!!! Don't believe me, Needle Dick? Just read this. (I realize that a lot of people who visit this site don't live in the United States. But believe me, that doesn't make you or your information any less the safe).
-Gonusto
P.S. I realize I posted that link in another thread, but I believe that it has more meaning in this one. Plus, I want Fucktard to read it.
Xenoran:
Needle Dick? Fucktard? This is clearly futile... goodbye!
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version