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Calum:
I am smarter than that!
I just said i didn't start that war! i think war is a terrible situation! nobody here started it, and i think everybody here agrees that war and general meaningless death is very bad news indeed.
I wasn't trying to be insensitive or obnoxious, just pointing out that compared with some things in the world, saying "fucktard" in a bulletin board discussion is really not so abominable!
voidmain:
Well I agree with you about the comment not being so bad considering the domain name of this web site. And I shouldn't respond to the other comment you made because it is off topic (ridding MS from the face of the earth). But I have to respond at the risk of this becoming a large ongoing off subject thread.
First of all, you are right, nobody likes war (well, most sane people do not like war) but sometimes it *is* necessary.
Second of all, nobody is at war with Afghanistan. Now Afghanistan was at war with itself for the last 10 years (and for much longer thoughout it's history).
Third, as you know some chicken shit, gutless bastards killed some of my innocent friends and relatives for no reason other than getting themselves a ticket to paradise (or so they believe). And this is not the first time they have done this. And any sane person would have to believe it isn't the last time they will do this. Mind you, these chicken shit, gutless bastards are not Afghan people, they are a collection of hate mongers who just happened to be practicing their tactics in a country that was at war with itself, taking advantage of chaos that existed.
Now, if someone kept coming out from behind a rock and punching you in the nose repeatedly are you supposed to just continue to take it?
Thankfully, most of the free world got together to try and put a stop to it (or severely hinder it). And as a side benefit I believe there is great hope for Afghanistan. They hopefully will now have a responsible government containing some very smart people who will treat their people a little better. Now women will actually be able to have a life. This is one of many examples of future hope.
They will now get support from many countries to help them rebuild their devastation (devastation that previously existed). Hopefully they will be able to educate themselves so they can turn their country into a much better place for their people to live.
In a perfect world, there is peace, it's not a perfect world. But for it to become one, sometimes war is necessary. In this particular case the "war" is focused toward taking out a few rotten eggs, not on a country as a whole.
But discussing this is like discussing religion. Usually there are two points of view and no matter how much you discuss it, one point of view will not see the other point of view. Now, if you have a better idea of what should have been done, I certainly would like to hear it, but these forums are not really the place to do it.
[ February 11, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
Gonusto:
All I've got to say is that its all relative . . .
-Gonusto
lu666s:
Relatiive to what? Or a relative to whom?
I have to say I agree 100% with Void.
It probably has something to do with our respecive age group, I was a rebel and leftist idealist when 18 (even though I lived under a commie system at that time).
Is there a chance that the situation is/will be misused by certain elements in power circles. You'betcha, absolutely, absolute power corrupts absolutely, it all depends on every single of us if we let them, and there is a clear parallel between the closed systems and open systems.
However, perhaps, there is a slight chance that the US administration would realize that the policies of the 20th century were rather inept and self-defeating and creating bigger problems in the end, no matter how appropriate they seemed at the time. Short term gain translates usually into long term kick in the butt. That is not to invoke blame games, everybody is wiser in the hindsight.
The hope is that if the the political/economical niveau in Afganistan gets nurtured, it may be a foundation stone of better world a showcase of sorts... that there is a better way, than a myopic premedieval ideology.
I'll end it here, the whole matter is rather on the high end of order of complexities, and this is not the forum.
[ February 11, 2002: Message edited by: lu666s ]
kjg:
quote:Originally posted by lu666s:
Relatiive to what? Or a relative to whom?
Is there a chance that the situation is/will be misused by certain elements in power circles. You'betcha, absolutely, absolute power corrupts absolutely, it all depends on every single of us if we let them, and there is a clear parallel between the closed systems and open systems.<snip>
I'll end it here, the whole matter is rather on the high end of order of complexities, and this is not the forum.
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I agree that this isn't the place to discuss whether the action in Afghanistan is right or wrong, but, the point you made IS on topic, in a way. There will always be those people or groups of people who seek to expand their power at the expense of others. There will also always be people or groups of people who will act to harm others, and any civilized society *must* act to prevent - or at least contain the damage from -those acts. The problem (as we've seen with both Microsoft and the USA PATRIOT Act), is that the first group often uses the second group to get power that we otherwise would refuse to give them. To quote William Pitt:
quote:Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
--William Pitt (1756-1806)
--- End quote ---
Whether we're talking governments or corporations, they will take as much power as they can convince us give them, and if we are not very careful, they will eventually have enough power that they no longer need our consent to take more. In the government's case, it was terrorism - yes, a terrible thing that needs to be addressed, but not (IMHO) at the expense of our fundamental right to the protections of the Constitution. In Microsoft's case, it was software piracy - again, something that is a crime, and should be prosecuted, and, where possible, prevented - but again, not at the expense of our fundamental right to privacy.
Karen
[ February 11, 2002: Message edited by: Karen ]
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