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Is it just me...
lost:
quote:Originally posted by Xenoran:
Needle Dick? Fucktard? This is clearly futile... goodbye!
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Someone seems butthurt, o must be that dick in your ass. Futile, i think so.
theangelofdeath69:
Well, well.
It seems everyone's jumped on this wagon, huh. By the way, HOW THE HELL can anyone actually DEFEND Microsoft? Yes, I am qualified to say that, I use Windows (much though I hate it.)
No matter. I seem to have started a pretty good argument here!
iustitia:
quote:Rely completely on the GUI without any command line dependancies
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NOT REGISTERED in referance to windows
Oh really? Try renewing dhcp leases and finding dhcp and wins servers as easily as is done with ipconfig. Try doing a tracert, ping, or pathping or even a finger for that matter on that GUI of yours. Try discovering all incoming connections, as well as ip, icmp, tcp and udp statistics with a GUI app better than dos netstat. Try using telnet. and I didn't even mention arp and nbtstat. And don't try to tell me that in the windows 9x systems you can get a GUI version of telnet and ipconfig. Anyone that is experianced enough to use telnet but not enough to use the command line is definitly an anomaly in the world of computers. The same goes for winipconfig, like anyone w/o basic knowledge of the command line would know what dns, dhcp, wins servers were, or even what ip addys are. MS made those programs for nobody.
Calum:
hey now, hey now!
don't be so harsh on poor old windows!
i have a dual boot setup with red hat and winME, and i have to say that my windows ME does at least provide a command line as well as a gui.
Of course it's totally true that there is NO information and there are NO help files for the command line, but hey.
Also several DOS programs that are run from said command line fail to initialise my sound card, even though the gui can use the card fine. Also some programs don't even run on that command line they have in winME.
plus there is the minor fact that you can't actually do ANYTHING of USE from the command line (like create a letter in a decent word processing format, or write a CD, or even play a CD, i think, though i haven't tried that.
Oh yes, there's also that minor fact that the command line interface ISN'T EVEN a real DOS prompt! it's a "virtual machine" which means it's a Microsoft coded DOS emulator! we'll that's a step forward i must say!
so compared with win98, which had a working, but impotent command line with no help or encouragement, we now get a dodgy cobbled together, possibly nonfunctional, but impotent command line with no help or encouragement.
whoop
dee
doo.
That said, i like the command line...
the linux one on my red hat system.
iustitia:
quote: The real issue is clearly ignorance, most novice users aren't even aware of what the operating systems is, I know a lot of them who used to think that "Windows is the PC"... And with that being the issue ...could you imagine what those people would be like on Linux? However, there should be an option to purchase the system without an OS for more advanced users who know what an OS is and how to install one.
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I know I'm going to get reamed for this, but I think that he has a point. I'm not saying it's right or anything, but it's the way things are. People are not going to take time out to learn the specifics of computers. It's all about marketing, and the tactic that microsoft and most notorioussaly AOL (gasp) employ is ease of use. (I rolled on the floor for nearly 10 minutes when I saw the aol icon said "double click to use"). They want access to the internet, (most notably email and instant messaging) while still knowing the least about it that they possibly can. No one is going to take the time to learn the command line. Plus they have all those training cd's and books and courses. And they are all geared toward windows and M$ office. Easy will always win out on the novice user. That's why Mac and Windows are supreme in that domain. There will always be comp repair guys to bring the computer to to do simple tasks such as re-installing the dredaded OS. There is nothing we can do about it. The relm of computing has movied into the domain of idocy. And to say that the novices aren't allowed to use the computer is just not fai... well it is fair but they don't think so. After all, I'm sure at least one of the younger of you have been raised on windows systems, as I have. Future generations of programers and technitions will all be introduced that way, there is no escaping it. I'm trying to think of analogy, but I can't even come close to the one about the bread and penut butter is to the comp and os one. By the way, Don't let it be said that I like the way it is, or that I am defending microsoft. I wish just as any hacker does that the mouse and GUI were never invented. I'm just saying it like it is.
BTW Does anyone else get the feeling that they want to puke when they see an AOL comercial? Does anyone ever feel like Nick Burns, Your company's computer guy from Saturday Night Live? And a note on hardware: I can't buy a drive, nic, or any other kind of computer card w/o getting detailed instructions on how to exactly configure it. These companies assume you know nothing.
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