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Is it just me...
iustitia:
Let me clear some things up
I'm sorry about calling novice users itots. I mearly said it because of tearms like "idot proof". And in no way did I mean that they were idots in other aspects of their life. I just ment that they did not know as much about compuers as we all do. Sort of like an English major might call a computer programmer an idot if he said "She and me went to the local diner for our date." Een if he can run circles around her in c++.
quote: Originally posted by psyjax:
How do you expect people to get in to the more complicated aspects of computing if they can't even use the machine to begin with.
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I don't. I was mearly saying that, IMHO, Windows is the best OS for people to learn to use the machine.
quote: Originally posted by psyjax:
I wasn't born a hacker, I was raised on Apple II's and Commodor 64's. Just because I only knew the standard file navigating command-line functions, and not the more detailed technocal bits, didn't religate me to the realm of idiot. ...I know asembly, I can go in and out of the GUI and can do anything I want.
I would have never gotten that far had I not had a simple starting point to get me hooked and interested. Despite all this however, I still mostly use my computer for duble clicking around, browsing the net, and doing my homework. Man I must really be a moron .
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I didn't mean to call those that know the command line and asm and always use the GUI morons; I just ment to those that only know how to use the GUI morons. As I said, I probally shouldn't have called anyone a moron. As I said, I once only knew a few aspects of windows myself. I would have been considered an idot if I had used the standards I used before. You weren't "born a hacker", and neither was I.
quote: Originally posted by iustitia:
And to say that the novices aren't allowed to use the computer is just not fai... well it is fair but they don't think so.
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quote: Originally posted by psyjax, in referance to mthe previous quote:
Besides, no one should be able to dictate who and who shouldent use a computer. It's not your place.
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You're right. I should have never said that. It's just that I sometimes get annoyed at a conversation that might go like this:
user: Where is that file I saved?
me: What directory did you save it in?
uer Directory? What's that?
quote: Originally posted by psyjax:
I know plenty of Linux and UNIX people who know the OS and aren't programmers.
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I'm sorry but I don't know any Linux/Unix users that don't know a lot about computers.
quote: Originally posted by avarage user:
The average person doesnt know or even care about 95% of the stuff you [forum posters] were [are] talking about.
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I think this sums up breifly why windows is on top. Other OS' let you care, Windows does not.
quote: Originally posted by Calum:
...why would packaging a heapload of uncoordinated proprietary bullshit with a nice new PC be GOOD for the user? If it was the norm to give "those people" the choice, when they bought the machine, there would be no confusion, not even amongst those "novice users" you so eloquently dismiss, because it would be NORMAL. It would be WHAT THEY EXPECTED. They could even choose to have SunOS, SUSELinux, Windows3.1, OS/2, whatever they wanted installed in the shop. They could pay extra and never have to install it themselves (unless it was windows, as it needs reinstalled periodically but that's another story). The important thing here is they would have the choice. They would be told their options and be able to choose. Do you really have a problem with that?
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Now to us this may make perfect sence. But the avrage user would find it a hastle to even have to bring it in to someone to install the OS. It's like the philosophy advertized by the iMac. Plug in the cord, plug in the phone wire, and you're on! Novice users like that.
[ April 05, 2002: Message edited by: iustitia ]
iustitia:
Call me an edeit for not being able to spell idiot.
psyjax:
Ok instutia, perhapse then your sentiment could be better expresed:
People who use computers and think all there is to them is the GUI and would rather take what is handed to them are at best unwise. And those users who only know a GUI and prettend to know more about computers than they actually do because they have been to timmid to so much as peek under the hood, yet they still go to forums posting crap like D00d I WaNT WaREz and i need to format My RAM and partition my video card, ya they are morons :D .
In defence of the iMac, you can install linux on it and still be able to pull it out of the box and plug it in. No to bad a deal I reckon .
Kintaro:
As i said earlyier...
If you defend microsoft you are a sad sad motherfucker.
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