Mozilla is for geeks someone said..

[mc0282]

hello everyone, i would like share this little story i experince today, well my uncle i  give him a copy of  Mozilla and i explain him how to use it, than he took Mozilla to this networks elite.. and he ask them  is this brower good ? and the netowrk elite said "well the brower only for them" <- WTF this suppost to mean ?  what they mean [for them] ? for the geek, the losers,the anti-microsoft ?  and than  the network elites said " you should stay with internet explorer it's alot better". this are network idiot suppost be pro and they don't even know what the fuck they putting down..  just because they see netscape interface.
i had enough with the fuckin close minded people , they get so fucking easy to brain wash.

[ August 17, 2003: Message edited by: mc0282 ]

[Enmity]

You just never know people   :rolleyes:  
I've even seen a magazine with a review listing teh pros & cons of IE (apparently Billy bought the magazine) and they said mozilla recorded your privacy and sent them out to the developers and shit..
Maybe they got the names wrong.

[bigsleep]

Mozilla IS only meant for "geeks" (testers and developers), and there's no support for it.
Netscape and the other ports of it are for end users.
However Mozilla is so fucking easy to install and use, and it's increadibly stable, I'd recomend the latest stable version (currently 1.4) to anyone. Even a computer illiterate could figure out Mozilla.

[bigsleep]

quote:Originally posted by Enmity:
... and they said mozilla recorded your privacy and sent them out to the developers and shit..

That's totally misleading and inaccurate. They are probably thinging about the Quality Feedback Agent, which sends out crash data - but it asks you first before sending, giving you the option to send or not, and the option to view the data it sends out. It's also easy to disable it completely.
I can count the number of times it's poped up on one hand, and all but once it's been my screw-up.

[Stilly]

I just got one of my friends to get mozilla and he loved it

[bigsleep]

As a note I'd like to add that Mozilla doesn't come with any plugins.
You can install the spell checker for Moz 1.4 here:
http://spellchecker.mozdev.org/installation.html
And you can see what others you have installed at Netscape:
http://wp.netscape.com/plugins/manager.html

I almost forgot, better plugin info here:
http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/

[ August 17, 2003: Message edited by: Bigsleep ]

[Pantso]

This is absolutely the most inaccurate thing I've ever read!!! Ok, let's get some facts straight:

1. Mozilla is for everyone! And I really mean everyone. If you don't want to experiment with nightly builds, then you can always go for the stable release.

2. Netscape is DEAD officially, especially since AOL decided to drop any support for it. And when it wasn't dead yet, it was based on Mozilla FYI.

3. Mozilla has been declared by many as the best and easiest browser to use. Just go to http://www.mozilla.org and read excerpts of those reviews there.

4. Mozilla comes with a mail client, so advanced that it puts other mail clients to shame. Enriched with advanced anti-spam capabilities, Mozilla Mail is a must-have for anyone who respects his/her privacy.

5. Mozilla has excellent standards support.

6. Mozilla is Free, Open and absolutely and totally tweakable. Tweak it as much as your heart desires.

7. Mozilla comes with countless extensions and themes. Wanna try some? Go to http://extensionroom.mozdev.org

8. Last, but certainly not least, Mozilla is infinitely more secure than that virus trap IE.

Gimme a break here and don't make me post things that you could have found out for yourselves!

[bigsleep]

quote:Originally posted by Panos:

2. Netscape is DEAD officially, especially since AOL decided to drop any support for it. And when it wasn't dead yet, it was based on Mozilla FYI.

Netscape is NOT dead.
Perhaps you are thinking of Netscape Communicator, which has been officially dead for about 3 years now and was purchased by SUN.
Netscape 7.1 uses the Gecko engine based on Mozilla 1.4 and is fully supported.

[ August 17, 2003: Message edited by: Bigsleep ]

[Pantso]

quote:Originally posted by Bigsleep:


Netscape is NOT dead.
Perhaps you are thinking of Netscape Communicator, which has been officially dead for about 3 years now and was purchased by SUN.
Netscape 7.1 uses the Gecko engine based on Mozilla 1.4 and is fully supported.

[ August 17, 2003: Message edited by: Bigsleep ]

http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3422

That's what I was referring to. Even if Netscape is NOT officially dead, why go with a browser that will always be one step behind Mozilla?    :confused:

[ August 17, 2003: Message edited by: Panos ]

[bigsleep]

quote:Originally posted by Panos:


http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3422

That's what I was referring to. Even if Netscape is NOT officially dead, why go with a browser that will always be one step behind Mozilla?      :confused:  

Ah, OK, I hadn't seen that. But I'm sure they are doing that because of the formation of the Mozilla Foundation, which is a good thing to pull the AOL influence out of the Mozilla project.
AOL is still supporting Mozilla as are several other companies, see this:
http://media.aoltimewarner.com/media/press_view.cfm?release_num=55253270
which is dated on the same day as the link you posted (interesting, huh?).

Why someone would want to use Netscape? It comes with all the plug-ins already installed and they do offer support - even though they charge for the live support (through another company). And they did finally catch up, they are using the current stable release - 1.4. I usually only install the stable Mozilla release myself.

AOL does seem to have little interest in Netscape (maybe it's too tuff to influence the Moz developers their way), and Netscape's getting more and more redundant. The spell checker's now included in Moz 1.5 and there's a good plug-in site at MozDev, and there's MozChat which works pretty good for support help, actually.
Mozilla Foundation is looking better all the time.

AOL's gonna sink on the same ship as MS anyway.

Oh, I forgot about Netscape Enterprise Server, which was taken over by Sun and renamed to iPlanet Web Server then to Sun ONE Web Server. So perhaps Sun will adopt Netscape Gecko as well?

[ August 17, 2003: Message edited by: Bigsleep ]

[TheQuirk]

Uh, actually, it's because AOL and Microsoft had their little lawsuit settled. AOL got a Big Giant Barrel of Cash, and the rights to use IE in AOL, plus Super Secret Information to intergrate it better into AOL. So Netscape was no use for them.

[bigsleep]

Both AOL and Microsoft have always been trying to influence Mozilla developers, with little sucess but for some things like (OMG) Marquee.
Not trying to get the last word in, but I think we are both (or all) right. AOL decisions are usually based on the better deal, not the better product.
I don't disagree with you, but AOL made a deal with MS long ago when they first started using IE (and getting the Desktop Icons), and I had heard from Netscape people, a couple years ago, that the contract was running out and they may be switching. Obviously they aren't.

[jasonlane]

To set another matter straight:

IE is possibly the least compliant of the browsers out there, it's shit, it implements it's own crap M$ standards such as JScript and .HTA and other useless weak, unstable crap like that.

IE is not better, fact!

[TheQuirk]

quote:Originally posted by Bigsleep:
Both AOL and Microsoft have always been trying to influence Mozilla developers, with little sucess but for some things like (OMG) Marquee.
Not trying to get the last word in, but I think we are both (or all) right. AOL decisions are usually based on the better deal, not the better product.
I don't disagree with you, but AOL made a deal with MS long ago when they first started using IE (and getting the Desktop Icons), and I had heard from Netscape people, a couple years ago, that the contract was running out and they may be switching. Obviously they aren't.

This is what I am talking about: http://news.com.com/2100-1032_3-1011356.html?tag=rn

They had another "deal" a small while ago.

[bigsleep]

quote:Originally posted by TheQuirk:


This is what I am talking about: http://news.com.com/2100-1032_3-1011356.html?tag=rn

Ah, I see, you are talking about the Netscape lawsuit, which is actually an AOL lawsuit since they own it - I didn't even think about that. Kinda ironic how AOL wins the benefit of putting Netscape out of business.

 

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