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apache win32 port
voidmain:
Isn't IIS a total waste of precious Internet bandwidth?!? My IDS database (Snort/Acid) is flooded with CodeRed hits (among all sorts of other bullshit from Infected IIS servers).
99% of the security hits are from infected IIS servers. Believe me, I've been tempted to go to every one of the IP addresses in my database and use that backdoor root kit that is obviously installed on the systems to reformat their drives for them!
As far as Karen's situation, you may be right. I started back when it "was" rocket science to get a Linux box up. I've just seen so many newbie success stories here that I really think she will not have a problem. If no progress is made after a couple hours of investment then save it for a rainy day.
lu666s:
quote: My IDS database (Snort/Acid) is flooded with CodeRed hits (among all sorts of other bullshit from Infected IIS servers).
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My clients wondered how come their stats got a hefty increase in october/november! I had to disallow a whole slew of critts in webalizer config.
quote: 99% of the security hits are from infected IIS servers. Believe me,
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I do, in my case it was the same ratio.
quote: As far as Karen's situation, you may be right. I started back when it "was" rocket science to get a Linux box up. I've just seen so many newbie success stories here that I really think she will not have a problem.
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I remember those times too. At first I hosted through a HSP resale, but then I decided for co-lo, in order to make it more profitable and to be able to offer custom configurations, not pre-packaged cookie-cuttery setup. Before that, clients thought I am a god, afterwards, they thought I am THE GOD himself! :)
It is way easier nowadays, almost less demanding than install of w2k/xpee, but it may be a dangerous plunge if Karen switches systems entirely without the possibility to fall back, especially as production is concerned. For all I know, it may take her a week, actually, to sit on the fence. :)
voidmain:
Sounds like we have very similar experience.
quote:Originally posted by lu666s:
It is way easier nowadays, almost less demanding than install of w2k/xpee, but it may be a dangerous plunge if Karen switches systems entirely without the possibility to fall back, especially as production is concerned. For all I know, it may take her a week, actually, to sit on the fence. :)
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I tried to say not to change where she is doing her developing immediately (if at all). But to instead find another machine to install Linux on. Certainly I did not say for her to wipe out what she has and install Linux on her current machine. Finding and installing on a discarded PC would not be dangerous in the least.
kjg:
quote:Originally posted by VoidMain:
As far as Karen's situation, you may be right. I started back when it "was" rocket science to get a Linux box up. I've just seen so many newbie success stories here that I really think she will not have a problem. If no progress is made after a couple hours of investment then save it for a rainy day.
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quote:Originally posted by lu666s:
It is way easier nowadays, almost less demanding than install of w2k/xpee, but it may be a dangerous plunge if Karen switches systems entirely without the possibility to fall back, especially as production is concerned. For all I know, it may take her a week, actually, to sit on the fence. :)
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Well, of course, you're both right. It would probably be a good and wise thing to start thinking about setting up a linux system, and I'm probably not going to do it real soon. To clear up one possible misconception - I'm working on a private project that may not (probably won't) ever make me any money. But what I learn in doing it might, down the road. It will at least give me a skill set that isn't as common as the one I have now (basically, html coding).
BUT... (warning, philosophical ranting ahead. Those not philosophically inclined may wish to avert their eyes to avoid unpleasant thinking sensations)
My take on this whole apache/win32, and the larger issue of linux vs win is this: Computer users are (in my view) divided into two groups: Code-warriors and code-wimps. Code-wimps are, for the most part, at the mercy of code-warriors, because they can't do anything that some code-warrior hasn't figured out how to do AND build a snazzy GUI front-end for the wimps to use. That's how Micros(uck)oft has obtained a virtual monopoly on desktop systems - and that won't change until *nix and *BSD people are equally willing to build those easy GUIs for their stuff.
Here's why: A lot of people in here speak disparagingly of windows users (and I suppose even my "wimp" term is some what derogatory), but the fact is, probably 80% of the people who use computers these days DON'T CARE and DON'T NEED to care about the code, or what goes on behind the monitor screen, in order to do what they need to do in their daily jobs/life.
An analogy: your average homeowner should probably have a hammer around somewhere, because there's always a nail or two that needs pounding in. Their goal isn't (and shouldn't be) to have the best damn hammer out there, their goal is to get the nail pounded in. I say having the best hammer shouldn't be their goal, because it's an inefficient allocation of their time and resources to search one out. (Actually, in my experience with this project so far, I feel like I'm being required to manufacture the hammer myself - right down to specifying the chemical composition and tensile strength of the alloy used to make the striking surface. :confused: ) MOST people simply need a basic, generic hammer to pound in a few nails, the quality/composition/manufacturing methods that produce the hammer aren't important. Sure, a better hammer might serve them well, but the time involved in making one isn't worth it, if all you want to do is pound in a couple of nails. Heck, you could use a flat rock for that.
I'm basically a code wimp, and although I'm working to change that to an extent, I'll never be a code-warrior. The only difference between me and the other 80% of the people using computers in the world today is that I've had enough of choking on the garbage Micros(uck)oft puts on my system simply because I don't know enough to get something different. I refuse to be dependant on MS's code-warriors any longer, because it's become clear to me that they DON'T have my interests at heart. I'm fairly certain that I WILL end up going to some *nix variety, because I'm currently running WIN 98 and I REFUSE to upgrade to the new stuff. It won't be long before I'll need something that won't run on 98.
But it's going to take time, and I'm already feeling a bit overwhelmed with the "new stuff" I'm learning right now. (In fact, this rant is actually avoidance behavior of a sort, because what I really should be doing is figuring out why MySQL can't find the MyODBC I installed a couple of days ago. And finding out what this DNS stuff is, and once I find that out, figuring out what I'm supposed to do with it.)
So, I'm gonna go back to work and leave you with a quote that I've been turning to for inspiration in the last few days when "it" (whatever "it" is) WON'T work and I can't see WHY it won't work and I just feel like giving up on the whole idea and playing freecell for the rest of my life:
quote:There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power governments, and tyrants, and armies (and Microsoft --ed note) can not stand.
--G'Kar, Babylon 5, The Long, Twilight Struggle
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Karen
voidmain:
Karen, please don't make these assumptions about needing to be a "code warrior" to use Linux until you have tried it yourself. I think you will find that it is just as graphical and easy to use as M$ as there have been several non-technical testimonies here recently by newbies.
If after giving it a serious try and you still say the same thing then that is a different story.
And as far as "The Best Hammer" analogy:
I suppose if you go down to the corner store and they have a hammer bin back in the corner full of hammers that work better than any other hammers, and you can take as many of them as you want for free, and they come with documentation about how the hammer was built if you choose to read it so you could build your own hammers and sell them free of royalty.
And then there is a hammer bin right at the front door with a big shiny sign that says "best hammers, only $199" and you bought this hammer, took it home, called up the hammer company to make sure they will allow you to use it and so they can get all of your personal info, then tried to drive the nail and missed and smashed your thumb because the hammer was improperly balanced, you would just continue on with this pain because it was the one at the front door and the one that everyone else used?
Sure there will be some documentation with the non-advertised version of the hammers in the back room as to their chemical composition, but you don't have to read it because you already have the hammer. Those that want to know about the chemical composition of the hammer can build their own hammer using either the same composition or a better composition, unlike the proprietary hammer at the front door.
[ February 07, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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