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I'm sorry to say this, but
mael:
quote:Originally posted by TB:
The fact that M$ are losing at least US$75 per console sold makes me laugh at it. But that's what you get when you buy practically all the parts from 3rd party companies. You'd think with M$'s thirst for money they would've done what Sony did with PS and PS2 - build the console completely in-house from the ground up.
The fact is nobody is going to topple Sony from it's high perch in the console market. Just by taking a look at sales figures proves this. In December '01 PS2 sales in USA and Japan DOUBLED compared to the same time the previous year. And this at a time where XBox and Gamecube were supposedly going to pose a threat to PS2 (i correct myself........Gamecube was NEVER a threat).
It's simply a case of too little too late for M$ and Nintendo. Although it was rather stupid to think that M$ and Nintendo could compete with Sony by releasing consoles inferior to the PS2 more than a year after PS2's release.
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I dont believe nintendo is bent on being #1. While i know ps2 will squash the Xbox, the nintendo is doing its own thing. The gamecube isn't an inferior machine, its built to do what they want it to do, and priced reasonably. Anyone that thinks nintendo will simply be destroyed needs to rethink history, and check out all the games nintendo has unleashed.
Me myself, i'd buy a gamecube just for nintendo's games, ps2 for third party. Sony will never make games that will match nintendo's, but their machine will pick up 3rd parties, no doubt about that.
Leave the bashing to the xbox .. the gamecube will do just fine, the ps2 will undoubtabley rein as king.
And all peace will be restored to the troll community known as video game land .
ash:
I'm not sure, maybe I'm on crack here (either tha or somebody else is)
But as yet there are NO pirated Xbox games, roms or whatever, or even a working emulator.
Much as I hate M$, they have put a lot of thought into how they will stop people ripping them off. They have to, if they really are running at a loss on the consoles. (Ever heard of giving away the razor and selling the blades?)
There is a hell of a lot of copy protection and whatever else in this system, and also, as far as I am aware, the game DVDs are designed to spin backwards, making it VERY hard to read in your PC DVD drive.
The Xbox will do well, because M$ are good at making people buy expensive things they dont really need/want, and the majority of people dont know any better. The Gamecube may have some much more enjoyable games, but for some people that doesnt matter. My money at the moment is on the PS2, because it already has a strong following, and a decent games list
(this is of course coming from someone who hasnt bought a console since the saturn)
Calum:
quote:You'd think with M$'s thirst for money they would've done what Sony did with PS and PS2 - build the console completely in-house from the ground up.
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Ho Ho Ho! :D
Microsoft even farm out the design and manufacture of their (so called) Microsoft mice, do you think they are able to come up with a scratch built game-optimised hardware/software combo?
And it's a shame Nintendo are taking it on the chin. There was a time i would have said that was a good thing (being a sega nut!) but sega made the mistake of releasing too many different consoles at once, then not supporting any of them adequately. They are now software only, and if Nintendo goes the same way, Sony will be another Microsoft.
Let's face it, they already are. M$ are small fry, in fact, compared with the hideous AOL Time Warner, and Sony, of course M$' business practices and their attitude to product support make them stand out.
(i already have a chip on my shoulder about Sony because they hold patents for the standard audio cassette, the VHS cassette (incl ADAT), DAT cassette, Minidisc, Compact Disc (including CDR, VCD, SVCD, CDROM and CDRW) and DVD. Monopoly Central! They ran every competing audio/visual storage format out of business, eg records (patent held by Edison Corp i think), 8-track (which was a crap format anyway), Betamax (which WAS a far superior format to VHS) and those little digital tape things that weren't DAT (where did they go?) to name but a few. Aren't sony responsible for floppy disks too? or am i making that up?)
badkarma:
quote:Originally posted by Calum:
Ho Ho Ho! :D
Microsoft even farm out the design and manufacture of their (so called) Microsoft mice, do you think they are able to come up with a scratch built game-optimised hardware/software combo?
And it's a shame Nintendo are taking it on the chin. There was a time i would have said that was a good thing (being a sega nut!) but sega made the mistake of releasing too many different consoles at once, then not supporting any of them adequately. They are now software only, and if Nintendo goes the same way, Sony will be another Microsoft.
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SEGA made the mistakes of releasing the wrong consoles (somehow the saturn springs to mind) for a wrong price, or releasing the right console but without any marketing behind it (not once did I see a dreamcast advertisment on dutch television)
The big difference here between nintendo and sega is that nintendo is one big marketing machine (they don't do hype, they do phenomena (mario, zelda or pokemon anyone?)) and has the cash reserve to design non profitable consoles for the next few generations (while the N64 was losing money bigtime, nintendo was still raking it in because of the gameboy/gameboy color/pokemon, now even if the gamecube is a financial disaster, guess how much money big N earns with the gameboy advance (takes a look at the GBA lying next to him ))
and consider that SEGA never really was a console company, the arcade has allways been their turf (a place nintendo is hardly seen, unless it's a team up between them and rare (which means rare makes the game and big N supplies the hardware)
psyjax:
quote:Originally posted by Calum:
And it's a shame Nintendo are taking it on the chin.
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Their not really. As someone said earlyer nintendo is doing it's own thing. In japan, it's head to head with the PS2 almost because the largest game market is for younger kids, like 9-12. Do you think they wanna play games that are bloody and violent (ok ok.... do you think they should ?
Furthermore, nintendo right now, is the manufacturer of the best selling consol of all time. The Gameboy. Do you realize that this machine has been around since 1989, is still a hot seller, and has beat out the Atari 2600 as both the most popular, and longest live consol of all time.
Also, last time I looked the Gamecube was not doing too bad. It's coming lineup of games looks teriffic, and I know I'm getting one. I think most people who buy PS2's will eventualy buy a Gamecube. To me, console gaming would never be the same without the classic nintendo titles and craftsmanship. More than any other game company I think nintendo are the most creative, and sport one of the best team of game designers ever.
As far as Sony is concerned, thir big but not quite predatory like M$.
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