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AMD vs. Intel
Windows_SuX_@$$:
I don't know what I should get,
Whats the diffrence? Which one do you recomend me getting an
AMD 2800+
or
Intel Pentium4
Tell me what you think is better, thanks for the advice
:cool:
Zombie9920:
Definatley a 2.4c ghz P4 and a good i865PE board(like the Asus P4P800 Deluxe or Abit IS7). You can overclock that 2.4c to 3.1-3.2ghz like it ain't nothing(using the stock intel cooling). It will cost about $300.
You can't beat this for $300
http://zombie9920.homestead.com/files/cpuarithmatic.jpg
http://zombie9920.homestead.com/files/cpumultimedia.jpg
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http://zombie9920.homestead.com/files/memoryperformance.jpg
The $300 CPU+Mobo setup is capable of matching the $580 3.2ghz P4($580 for te CPU alone) and it flat out whoops the AthlonXP 3200+@$480(price of CPU alone). It straight up beats the hell out of the 2800+ which is the same price as the 2.4c.
You will get the most bang for your buck with the 2.4c and a i865PE chipset, there is no question about it.
If you don't already have PC3200 DDR Ram you will need to buy at least 1 stick of it(buying 2 identicle sticks and putting them in Dual Channel DDR mode is recommended though). If you only want to buy 256MB go with 2 identicle sticks of 128MB PC3200 sticks, if you want 512MB go with 2 identicle sticks of 256MB PC3200, etc. You will get the most performance that way.(1 stick in Single Channel mode will cut the memory bandwidth and performance in half).
[ September 29, 2003: Message edited by: Viper ]
Windows_SuX_@$$:
Whats better?
Im buying a AMD 2800+ or a Intel Pentium 4
What would you recommend?
mushrooomprince:
quote: You can overclock that 2.4c to 3.1-3.2ghz like it ain't nothing
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Like it aint nothing ?
Obviously this guy is as profecient with motherboards and BIOS's as you and you think hes just gonna go out and over clock his pentium 4 ?
As for the Athlon vs P4 thing well .... there isn't much of a performance difference but the Athlons are half the cost as a pentium 4. So on a price/performance comparison the Athlon is definantly a better choice.
I personnely use a Athlon 2200 on one of my machines and its no different than the 2ghz Pentium 4 machines at school.
http://www.ibuypower.com/confirm/configurator-k7tb-ddr.htm
Zombie9920:
quote:Originally posted by mushrooomprince:
Like it aint nothing ?
Obviously this guy is as profecient with motherboards and BIOS's as you and you think hes just gonna go out and over clock his pentium 4 ?
As for the Athlon vs P4 thing well .... there isn't much of a performance difference but the Athlons are half the cost as a pentium 4. So on a price/performance comparison the Athlon is definantly a better choice.
I personnely use a Athlon 2200 on one of my machines and its no different than the 2ghz Pentium 4 machines at school.
http://www.ibuypower.com/confirm/configurator-k7tb-ddr.htm
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Are you joking? The Athlon XP 2800+ and that P4 2.4c are the same price. You will get more performance out of that P4 than you will that AXP 2800+ easily. The AXP 2800+ = $168, the P4 2.4c = $170. If you aren't blind you will see he was looking at an AXP 2800+. It isn't hard to overclock. Even when the P4 isn't overcloked it is pretty damn fast because 1. It has motherboards that get the proper bandwidth out of Dual Channel DDR(it gets twice the bandwidth and performance of an NForce 2) and CPU itslef has a nice 800mhz FSB, SSE2 and Hypertreading. Anything that takes advantage of SSE2 will suddenly make that 2.4ghz processor faster than an AXP 3000+ without even overclocking it. Overclocking is a breeze, so don't act like it is hard for people to get more mhz out of their new shit. You simply put your FSB@265, leave the voltage@default, leave the PCI/AGP bus@ 66/33mhz and leave the Ram speeds@ spec and you will have a perfectly stable overclocked [email protected] If you raise that FSB to 270mhz you have a 3.2ghz P4c.
The Hyperthreading doesn't really speed the CPU up much unless an application supports HT, but the Hyperthreading allows you to do twice as many tasks with the same amount of CPU cycles. You can literally burn a DVD while encoding a video while playing a game in full screen with because of that hyperthreading. HT adds a 2nd virtual CPU that takes the load off of the regular CPU so your main CPU still has almost 0% of it's cycles being used when you are doing strenuous tasks. In the end you get 200% CPU cycles instead of 100% on non-HT CPU's(that is like 2 CPU's for the price of 1). Now if an app truely supports hyperthreading you will see a performance increase on top of the better CPU cycle handling.
Those 2ghz P4 machines at your school probably aren't even Northwoods. They are probably Wiliamettes. They certainly don't have an 800mhz FSB and Hyperthreading. Oh and BTW, with a P4 you don't need a ton of loud ass fans to keep it running reasonably cool. Pentium 4's don't run the risk of ever catching on fire and burning up(Yes, Athlons do have heat issues buddy).
Now, why don't you do some benches of your beloved AXP 2200+ and compare it against the numbers I'm getting out of this [email protected]+ ghz. You can overclock your shit as much as you want(you won't get very far with that Athlon though). I already have a few scores up already and that P4 beats the hell out of an Athlon 3200+ like it ain't nothing........I really want you to challenge me man. ;)
[ September 29, 2003: Message edited by: Viper ]
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