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mushrooomprince:

quote:Now, why don't you do some benches of your beloved AXP 2200+ and compare it against the numbers I'm getting out of this [email protected]+ ghz.
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Viper, I think what this guy wants is  reasonably priced processor that will be sufficient for his internet applications and most of his games.  I wasn't really thinking of a Athlon 2800 specifically it was more around a 2200 or a 2400.  Those are around half the price of 2.2 ghz and 2.4 ghz Pentiums.

However simple overclocking may be to you its never as simple as you would like others to believe in your arguement.  A million things can go wrong as soon as you open up that case. Thats why I don't recomend over clocking to people who just want a decently powered PC and are on a budget.

Pentium 4's are not for people on a budget.  I'm looking at pricewatch.com right now and so far the cheapest 2ghz chip i see is $145.  

He doesn't want perfection.  He just wants to get up to date.  And I certainly don't think we wants to learn how to overclock processors, thats a completely different story.  If you think hes perfectly capable of picking out all the right parts to overclock a P4 why is he asking AMD or Intel ?


and you know what ? YES YOUR OC 3.1GHZ P4 IS WAY FASTER THAN ANY 2400 ATHLON.  But you know what ?   For 90% of the things I do and what most people would like to do there isn't a significant difference between your chip and a 2200 Athlon.  The only difference is that one would have to go through a huge hassle to make their 2.1 ghz chip significantly faster than the 2200 athlon.

 
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Zombie9920:
No, you didn't mention the 2800+...he did. Read his original post man.

You don't understand, things have changed alot these days. Pentium 4's aren't really all that expensive anymore. Sure, a 3.2ghz costs over $540 but a person would be nuts to buy one considering the next lower model(the 3.0c) is a little over $350. That is a bargain since that 3.0c is capable of running with that 3.2ghz and it beats out a Athlon XP 3200+ without even overclocking it. BTW, the Athlon XP 3200+ costs close to $500 itself. Over Time AMD has jacked up their prices for their high end models because they are actually on the map for consumers now.

And no, things don't go wrong when overclocking a Pentium 4 2.4c ghz on an i865/i875 motherboard. Do you know why? Because the 2.4c uses the exact same core(the D1) as every other Pentium 4 c including the top-end model the 3.2ghz. That means the core the 2.4c is using is capable of [email protected] with no damage, no stability issues, no heat issues, etc. Basically, s 2.4c is nothing more than a 3.2ghz that had it's multiplier reduced so Intel would have a chip to sell to the lower end market.

Now, the i865/i875 chipset is capable of overclocking the CPU only. It leaves the PCI/AGP buses running@spec speeds and it leaves the RAM running@spec speeds unless you specify for it to do otherwise. When you overclock a 2.4c to 3.2ghz it only runs 1-2 degrees Celcius higher than it [email protected] obviously heat isn't a worry either.

Now, if you attempt to take that D1 core past 3.2ghz you are asking for some stability issues because that core isn't designed to run past 3.2ghz.

To make a long story short, the P4 2.4c is an enthusiast chip because of what it can do. Anyways, AMD is not the price/performance leader anymore by a long shot. This is not last year man.

I feel like throwing this little quote in from a [H]ardOCP article regarding the Athlon 64.

   
quote: The Bad
The bad will become seriously evident the moment you open your wallet to pay for a new Athlon 64. The Athlon FX 51 is priced at US$733 per thousand. The per thousand price is usually a good indicator of non-boxed CPUs for sale in the USA. Yes, we typed that right $...7...3...3. You're thinking, not a problem when you can just go for the Athlon 64 3200+, right? The per thousand price for the 3200+ will be a hefty US$417 per thousand. Ouch. If you think the AthlonFX and Athlon64 chips above don't seem to be price matched for their target demographic, we would have to fully agree. Let's just say it, they are too expensive. When you consider that the enthusiast can buy a Pentium 4 2.4c, 512MB of PC3200, a name brand 865PE feature-packed mainboard for way less than the price of a Athlon64 3200+ alone, and run his system at 3GHz all day long, you have to think that all of that Athlon64 performance is simply overpriced.  
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http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTI0LDY=

Read the part I put in Bold Italics. They are hinting at how sure of a thing that P4 2.4c overclocking on a i865PE board is. Anyways, No matter what you say prince.....the P4 2.4c is easily THE CHIP to have right now in a price/performance stance.

To sum it all up, a person would be a fool to buy an Athlon XP 2800+ and pair it up with a motherboard that offers shitty performance(the NForce 2 and Via KT600) when you can buy a setup for the same price that will run rings around the AXP 2800+ setup.

You would be a fool to go with a 2200+ setup that will give you low/mid end perofmance for $60 less than a setup that will give you high-end performance.

[ October 01, 2003: Message edited by: Viper ]

hm_murdock:
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mushrooomprince:
if he wants to get a 2.8 ghz processor or equivlant thats fine.  I guess once you start paying outragous prices for AMD chips you might as well get a Pentium chip.


It doesn't make a difference to me.  I still think for the money the athlon 2400 is the best.

hm_murdock:
how much would you pay for an Athlon XP 3200, with board?

if it's not less than the P4c with board, then I think we know what the better deal is

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