then how come i can network mine for 20+hours, alot of software that is being demoed is beta, and the xbox does tend to run a bit hot, cuase its halfway between a smeleron and a pIII, buts its still x86 miroserf stuff, but it has the best first gen games. the ps2 has some pretty cool 2nd gen games, so when i start working, ill buy a ps2, and a gamecube, and have lots of fun with ALL THREE. besides, my xbox is creeping me out day by day, but i got it for christmas last year, so i can't take it apart, and it is pretty fun. and i think that there is a way to pirate music from xbox to xbox. using the memory managment, and a memory card, im not shore if it works but hey. owell, xbox did get a few things right, other then the x86 hardware it useses and the win2k kernel that it does also, owell, have phun